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  1. 5 points
    Best thing about payton being traded is not having to hear you talk about hating his floppy hair anymore
  2. 5 points
  3. 3 points
    Hasn’t Payton always played well when there’s zero pressure, the season is over, and the game isn’t on the line? People acting surprised about his numbers in PHX when they’re getting blowout every night doesn’t make sense to me. He did the same thing here. What happened last year after the all-star break? Payton put up numbers. We still were getting blown out. He picks and chooses when he wants to play an engaged brand of basketball and all to often that’s when the season is already tanked.
  4. 3 points
    This is the greatest thing ever made by a human. All credit to the genus, TrueMagicFan07.
  5. 3 points
    No. Us being terrible at money and asset management, and not being great at drafting is why we are where we are today. Imagine for a moment we're building around Oladipo and Gordon right now, with Sabonis as a nice bench asset. Imagine we didn't give up two 1sts and a 2nd for Elfrid Payton. Imagine we didn't pay Bismack Biyombo all the money in the world. Imagine we traded Vucevic two years ago when he was still an asset people would give something for. Ditto for Evan Fournier. Imagine if, instead of Elfrid Payton and Mario Hezonja, we had drafted any one of Jusuf Nurkic, Gary Harris, Rodney Hood, Clint Capela, Willie Cauley-Stein, Myles Turner, or Kelly Oubre; any of those guys would have been somewhat reasonable picks for us, drafted within the next ten picks and would not have been considered major reaches. Would we be competing for a championship this year? Not likely. But we'd be a playoff team, young, with lots of assets to get better, and not drowning in bad contracts. We were fine at tanking. We had 3 picks in the top 5. Two have turned into really good players, one an All-Star. Unfortunately, we got rid of the All-Star for Terrence Ross, we botched the 3rd top 5 pick, and we spent all our excess money on garbage.
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  8. 3 points
    It is going to be so interesting to see what happens with Young because it is going to seem so obvious in hindsight. If he's a superstar, it'll be: "Of course he's amazing! You can't put up stats we've never seen before with those physical limitations unless you're a prodigy! He did it as a freshman too. With the way the league has trended toward outside shooting, he was the obvious first pick." If he's disappointing: "Well I mean they should've seen this coming. A small dude like that with no athletic advantage? He put up a bunch of empty stats on a team without great prospects because he was allowed to do whatever he wanted."
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  10. 3 points
    Or, we will hit the lotto, draft Ayton, have him carry us to the Finals before losing, and then lose him to the Lakers.
  11. 2 points
    That's why you don't watch basketball around sharp things
  12. 2 points
    Just watch this and go to 1:40 Then watch this whole thing He's not ibaka he could be what they said towns would be
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  14. 2 points
    I've been super busy getting a postgraduate degree that I'll finish by the end of this month. I have big plans for my website and youtube channel but I'll have to wait until March to get things going again I'll make sure to post everything here ;)
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  16. 2 points
    That's obviously because Trae is an outlier player HIMSELF . No one's done what he's doing. And being double and triple teamed is likely to lower your field goal percentages. Please remember he's a FRESHMAN. And believe me, the dude is fresh to death
  17. 2 points
    If Isaac can come back from injury and live up to his potential, if we draft Trae and he proves he’s the real deal and not just Jj Barea, and if we are able to resign Mario and he keeps improving then we are somewhat on that track! It’s a lot of “ifs” but it’s at least something fun to think about and hope for!
  18. 2 points
    No. The team played better defense with Gordon in but not Payton. That includes minutes against bench players, minutes against starters when Payton wasn't in the game, and minutes against starters when Payton didn't play. Payton only played 28.6 mpg for us. It's not like Vogel had him shadowing the other teams starting point guard. And it'd be one thing if it was exclusive to great point guards but your point falls apart when the Tomas Satoransky's of the league burn him too.
  19. 2 points
    It really does happen a lot. A lot of people thought Klay Thompson was a reach where he was drafted; he was a low-ceiling guy who wasn't supposed to be able to keep up defensively and would just be a spot-up shooter. Eric Bledsoe was a 2-guard with not enough handles to play PG and not a good enough passer. Paul George couldn't get his own shots. Kawhi Leonard was too unskilled to play SF. Draymond Green was, hilariously, not considered even a good defender, on top of being too small to play PF. Khris Middleton was too slow. C.J. McCollum was too small to play SG. Rudy Gobert was too skinny and didn't play hard enough. Gary Harris wasn't a good enough ball handler and was too small. Rodney Hood was too skinny to play SF and not quick enough to play SG. Myles Turner ran funny. Devin Booker didn't have a good enough 1st step to get his own shot, and he wasn't 'long' enough. Malcolm Brogdon was slow, couldn't jump. Just how good the late gems in the draft are varies, but there always are some. And often as not there are a couple potential stars there.
  20. 2 points
    I'm not sure why we're having the tanking discussion this year. Is anyone really sitting here saying we HAVE to get Ayton? Couldn't we just see what growth we can get from this roster without artificially handicapping it and draft wherever we end up drafting? I'd rather win and have a better idea of what Gordon is, what vucevic looks like in a post Payton world, how Mario can fit in a full roster, etc. Then we just draft whoever is at our slot.
  21. 2 points
    Sure, we can think that now. But people say that every year, to an extent. This past year was a crazy deep draft for star potential, everyone saying that you could get a potential star in the top 8 or 9. Who's the best rookie of this class so far? Donovan Mitchell, pick #13, who no one thought would be this good. 2009 was the year of Blake Griffin and then no one. Except Steph turned out to be Steph. No one saw that coming. 2010 was the John Wall Sweepstakes year. Except PG was picked 10th. 2012 was AD and no other stars, remember? except Beal and Drummond are great. There weren't supposed to be any stars in 2013. Oladipo, McCollum, and Giannis came out of nowhere.
  22. 2 points
    Again, I think Skiles actually had us going in the right direction. Hennigan made some bad moves in the sped up process, but let's be honest, the process should have worked, if we'd just chosen the right players to bet on. Think about it. We had two really good players in Victor and Aaron, both of whom were playing well and developing by the end of the Skiles year. Skiles clearly wanted to upgrade the PG position, which we should have done. He didn't seem too fond of Vuc, either, pulling him for long periods during games and even bringing him off the bench some at the end of the year (something we've all wanted to see). We won 35 games (a ten game improvement from the previous season), a total that in a lot of years would put you in contention for a playoff spot in the East. We were a team on the rise, if not quite as fast as we'd hoped. But Skiles punked out, and Hennigan lost his freakin' mind, trading our best player for garbage, forcing our second-best player to learn a new position, and spending crap-loads of money on terrible FA contracts. I have little doubt if Skiles had just manned up, stuck around, we would have been a playoff team last year, and no doubt we would have been by this season. We were already headed in that direction, a Skiles team has never missed the playoffs in its second season, and - most importantly - we likely wouldn't have traded Victor Oladipo. My point is that Hiring Skiles - a win-now coach - and changing gears to win-now mode isn't why we are terrible now. We got what we needed out of the tank, two potential All-Stars. We needed to switch to trying to win. Our management just failed the win-now switch on an epic level. We did everything you aren't supposed to do in that situation. Instead of building on what we'd already done, we panicked. Hennigan thought he was smarter than everyone in choosing Evan over 'Dipo. Vogel thought he could go against the league in playing a massive lineup with two guys who weren't shooting well. Again, we had the talent to switch gears, we just traded half of it away and ruined our cap flexibility.
  23. 2 points
    It’s funny. With the EP trade, some see a sunset. Others, including me, see a sunrise. The next six months are going to be wild!
  24. 2 points
    If you want to be miffed, I remember reading that one of the reasons we traded Dipo was because he was a ball dominant guard and couldn't coexist with Payton. Thus, we re-signed Fournier instead. What a mess.
  25. 2 points
    Payton got lit up by every starting PG in the league lol. That's why he's gone.
  26. 2 points
    He said Payton and Gordon will get a similar contract in the offseason
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  28. 2 points
    Vuc back starting and Biz to the bench makes both units worse so hopefully we dont win too much. Depends if Gordon remembers how to shoot or not.
  29. 2 points
    If it's their 2018 1st then I'd think about it
  30. 2 points
    Orlando would do this only if they are squeamish about paying Gordon something like $20 million per season. He might draw a giant offer sheet this summer. Orlando probably shouldn't be squeamish. Trade Gordon, and you have almost nothing beyond Jonathan Isaac to show for years of post-Dwight tanking. Gordon is really good. He will get better. Even at a big salary, he is worth more than the typical No. 6, 7, or 8 pick on a cost-controlled rookie-scale salary. • Speaking of Orlando: Everyone but Gordon and Isaac is readily available, per sources around the league. Most expect Elfrid Payton, a free agent this summer, to be elsewhere by next season, and I'd agree. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22336760/zach-lowe-2018-nba-trade-deadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more
  31. 2 points
    What do you guys think the 8th pick is worth? I mean you all have to be kidding me. Jamal Crawford, DeSagana Diop, Chris Wilcox, T.J. Ford, Rafael Araujo, Channing Frye, Rudy Gay, Brandon Wright, Joe Alexander, Jordan Hill, Al-Farouq Aminu, Brandon Knight, Terrence Ross, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Nik Stauskas, Stanley Johnson, Marquise Chriss, Frank Nitilikina- Those are the names of the players drafted 8th since 2000. So, at best you get a sixth man type player like Crawford or a good role player, like Ross or Frye.
  32. 2 points
    I think we just need to move on from a few guys and their contracts here. Team is 15-36 and complete bottom of the standings. We're now looking at making tough decisions on two RFAs this offseason. We're already paying Vucevic, Fournier and Biyombo healthy veteran contracts. Even if not max deals or albatrosses, we're looking at committing a lot of salary to a bottom feeding team. We are likely just stuck with Biyombo for a while, but I'd dump Fournier and Vooch to get their salary off the books to allow us to re-sign Gordon while keeping flexibility going forward with Isaac and a hopeful top 5 pick from 2018 draft also in the mix. I don't think Elfrid Payton is terrible, but I don't want to give him a raise and think I'd deal him for whatever asset I could grab instead of committing long term salary to him. I think Gordon has shown to be the best and most promising piece so far and we need to see his development out, but we need to keep ourselves flexible to improve too. I don't expect big sexy hauls back in any deadline trades, but that doesn't mean it won't be for the best in the long haul.
  33. 2 points
    Who cares about the stats anyway. All you have to do is watch the games and it's obvious that EP is not the starting PG that we need for the future. The modern NBA calls for a PG that is a threat to take and make the open outside shot at a decent percentage. Also a lot of PGs feast on EP.
  34. 2 points
    Valuing Isaac over Gordon doesnt mean you think Isaac is better, it means Isaac will be paid over the next 4 years total what Gordon is about to make in 1.
  35. 2 points
    You wouldn't at least wait to see what the return would be?
  36. 2 points
    Theres a recent report that their front office is split on if they should keep him or go win now. I wonder if we could do monk and mkg for Augustin, Simmons, and the okc pick or one of our future picks that its perpetually lotto protected.
  37. 2 points
    Looking at tonight’s line up like
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  39. 2 points
    Last thing he needs is more stress on his shoulder...
  40. 2 points
    Kyler likes to do that after something already happened
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  42. 2 points
    Maybe he could start by teaching the current roster basic fundamentals.
  43. 2 points
    I guess you missed the part about young player showing promise, and yes, we DO want 2 top 5 picks in this draft! If we do entertain moving AG it will probably be for a young player PLUS a top pick this year and probably 1 or 2 other good picks. We have to stop forgetting that we are the worst team in the NBA at the moment and whatever we do, we won't be worse than we already are. We have very few assets and if we don't use some of them you'll get to watch Payton's hair bounce up and down, Vuc not play D, and us sucking badly with no light at the end of the tunnel again next season.
  44. 2 points
    Whatever trades we make I for one will be very disappointed if this is our starting PG next season.
  45. 2 points
    Weltman felt Mario's talent had flattened out
  46. 2 points
    “If we make a trade it will likely be a deal that helps us 3-4 years from now not this year or next” This is the best quote I’ve heard from Hammond. He’s finally 100% realized just how awful this roster is. No quick fix half assed moves. Gotta do it the right way.
  47. 2 points
    never underestimate our ability to suck
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  49. 2 points
    I still cant believe that a guy signed for his defense, rebounding, and energy has helped negate some of our problems with defense, rebounding, and energy.
  50. 2 points
    Damage control And nobody is giving them an all star while taking back a bad contract. So they effectively just pissed off their best player for no reason.