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  3. JJZFL

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I certainly wouldn’t count on that, anymore than our “young guns” crystallized into a strongly competitive group 10 years ago.
  4. The Neighborhood Bully

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    kinda ironic Denver could have kept Jerami Grant for 3/$60M and wound up giving AG 4/$92M
  5. jmmagicfan

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    That's why I said I wasn't sure if we should consider - I am not pushing for Simmons at all. I can see him going either way from this point on. He has never really shown much concern for improving his free throw/outside shooting in the past, as he has made a couple of All-Star appearances without doing so. The question becomes, does he now start working on shooting improvement as a result of his playoff issues; or does he "double down" on not needing to. If he has a new commitment to improve his shooting, then I probably would consider something like I listed (thinking that's what Philly would demand). Without that focus to improve his shooting, I am not interested, as he strikes me as a regular-season star who won't lead you to a 'ship.
  6. Soul Bro

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Very glad we moved on from AG. It’s shocking to me that his overall game (dribbling, shooting and offensive awareness) never really developed. In the end, turns out Tobias ended up being the best of the bunch of EP, Oladipo, Harris and AG (when injuries are factored in).
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  8. alwaystragic

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Isn't this similar to what we paid him when we extended? I think denver made a mistake here, they are paying too much for a guy who is 3rd or 4th spade at best
  9. alwaystragic

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I really don't understand fans pushing for simmons as he clearly is a problem, both inside and outside the court, and our situation will let us contend without having to trade for any star in a couple of years
  10. s1n1st3r12

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Yeah seems absurd for a glorified defender, I would have seen how he goes this season before committing to anything.
  11. jmmagicfan

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I would be surprised if it is us, but you never know. I can't see anything built around Fultz for obvious reasons, so what would they want? Probably two of Suggs, Anthony, Hampton, Isaac, plus multiple first round picks, and Harris or Ross to make the numbers work. Probably something like this (we can trade both '22 and '23 first round because we have the Chicago first round) G Harris, Hampton, Suggs, 2022 1st (Top 5 protected), 2023 1st (Top 5 protected) for Simmons and Isaiah Joe. Not sure if they can do better, not sure if we should consider. It would leave us financially tied up for a long time with Simmons, Fultz, and Isaac's contracts, WCJ/Bamba both up for new contracts next year, and Anthony/Okeke due soon after.
  12. All Eyes On Me

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Wow, the Nuggets just paid Gordon a 4 year $92 million extension… that coulda been us… lol $23 million a year!
  13. MagicTurk

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-ben-simmons-drawn-150343397.html Strap in, a dark horse team not mentioned yet in trade rumors are interested and have made an offer for Simmons, has to be us right? They mention Portland, New Orleans and Detroit as possible teams, but I don't think Nola or Detroit made the offer given their timeline and Portland has been named previously. The list of small market teams who have been tied at least once to Simmons in this summer's rumor mill. Timberwolves Raptors Cavaliers Pacers Spurs Kings
  14. South_Aussie_Magic

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Pretty big assumption by whomever this is to state that they only realised at the deadline that they should blow it up. These people seem to not realise sometimes you have to do things you don’t want to do because your employer mandates it (I.e 2 playoff births). if they couldn’t see it wasn’t going to get any better they never should have had the job in the first place.
  15. Luke_FfS

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Agree on almost everything in that article, and the key part for me was: We've lost at least a couple season for nothing due to the loooooong evaluation, but at least now they've finally chosen a path.
  16. Soul Bro

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    My guess is Redick said no thanks. Redick would have been a no brainer.
  17. Natesroom

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    if we signed Moore, I think we could have taken a chance on Redick - there is 5 years difference in age. Both are the same height and both play the same position. Both played for the magic during their career. Both are veteran presences. Not saying Redick would have been that cheap, but we could have slotted him in as a sure fire bomber from 3 however career averages for Moore at 3 is 38% and redick is 41.5% - so statistically not much different if the price tag was triple. Moore is a career 74% FT shooter vs 87%
  18. The Neighborhood Bully

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/orlando-magic-finally-hit-the-reset-button-for-a-bright-future
  19. CTMagicUK

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I think I saw someone online say that Zion said he was super impressed by how professional Moore was and how he was always able to stay ready even when he wasn't playing for periods. Sounds like a good locker room presence. He'll mostly just be a situational bench shooter I imagine but I like it.
  20. hootie249

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Honestly i do not get this. We are locked in, as always. 15 guaranteed contracts on a team where we will be stretching to win 25 games? and up against the cap? Where is the flexibility to absorb someone. I'll change my mind in the Spring if they get a prospect or draft picks. What i see is picking up a year or two of bad contracts at best. Nobody want's Moore, this is a knee jerk reaction to McW who will probably get released at some point. I would rather have rode 10 day contracts till the problem resolved itself. SMDH. Management sucks. No imagination.
  21. O_SteveO

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Suns and Pelican fans seemed to like him as an end of the bench guy who could come in and make some shots when you needed him. It’s not flashy, but I don’t mind it.
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  23. JJZFL

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I was thinking the same thing.
  24. Soul Bro

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I see Moore providing very little on court value, so hopefully he’s an incredible locker room presence.
  25. CTMagicUK

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    It's surprising but I like it. I'm guessing it doesn't look like there are any TPE moves to be made so instead get a veteran guard who can shoot and re-evaluate the trades for Ross, Harris and the TPE at the deadline.
  26. Bebop Meat Mop

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    Agreed. Problem with Simmons is much more than bad FT shooting; he has a mental block, the yips, the heebie-jeebies, whatever you want to call it. He's a head case on offense in crunch-time, and it's gotten progressively worse since he's been in the league. This isn't like a catastrophic knee injury where time and dedicated rehab will eventually make it better. And Simmons has shown little indication that he understands or is able to address the root causes of his problem. Morey has no other option than to wait it out and hope a decent enough deal will come along for him to salvage some of his pride. I don't see how anyone in their right mind would trade what he's asking for Simmons; he'd be lucky to get McCollum straight up.
  27. alwaystragic

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    No to simmons. I dislike his attitude so much that I don't care what he would bring. Plus, we are not a contender yet, so I am more than willing to play it out with the youngsters and see what we have here. I prefer to keep our 1sts and keep on building.
  28. jmmagicfan

    2021 Off-Season Discussion Thread

    I think we have to be moving another guard out. More likely Harris with the big expiring.
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