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2019 Offseason Thread
The Neighborhood Bully replied to Bauncey Chillups's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
maybe the impasse is due to him wanting to bring his family to the games on the team plane and the Magic are saying no...it's happened before -
I love that play. I remember watching it and thinking it's a really strong play. I think it only really works with someone that is as dangerous from deep as TRoss but also as athletic, it's the perfect play for him and I hope we continue to run it, think we can do more with Ross other than screens for 3s.
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So with still no Chuma news does this make one scenario more likely than the other or it's pretty much the same since week one of drafting him?
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You're absolutely right. I projected a bit but I expect Siakam to become less efficent just because that's what tends to happen with more attempts. I guess the larger point is just the perception. I don't doubt how good Siakam is but I also believe Gordon would of thrived on Toronto last year and Siakam would be viewed similarly to Gordon had he played for us. I think they're pretty much equal players if the playing field is leveled. While Siakam does things Gordon doesn't the same could be said in reverse. Gordon has things he needs to work on which mainly revolve around him becoming more efficent. At the end of the day Siakam isn't significantly better than Gordon and they're impact in my opinion is similar.
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I get what you're saying. Siakam definitely benefits from playing in a well defined role next to two all stars and great role players and found the 2-3 things he was good at and just did nothing but those things all year resulting in super efficiency. With Kawhi gone and surprisingly weak wing depth I don't think it's crazy to think that siakam regresses a bit and the plateauing of his improvement rate changes the narrative surrounding him. And at that point maybe Gordon has the type of season where he's viewed as objectively better. Especially considering siakam is more than a year and a half older than Gordon. However, until we see that scenario play out I don't think it's right to say Gordon is better. Siakam is significantly more efficient on offense and has similar production on fewer attempts. And his rate of improvement leaves the door open that the larger role he's sure to get this season results in him averaging something like 26ppg. So while I acknowledge your point that we don't really have a full grasp of what siakam is yet and he could have just been in the best situation possible for his success and thinking about facing siakam doesn't really scare me we also have to acknowledge that maybe his production is real and he's going to get much better.
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I hate this Siakam comp. Imagine how much easier it is to make a jump with a top 3-5 player right next to you. I don't view Siakam as much better than Gordon if at all.
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Watch tape of Siakam? He made the leap last year i always hoped Gordon would make. Time will tell.
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2019 Offseason Thread
The Neighborhood Bully replied to Bauncey Chillups's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2019/09/19/orlando-magic-successful-season-markelle-fultz/ - Last week
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On it ya’ll.
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Yeah. Basically wasted movement.
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Improve his ball handling / drives to the basket
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2019 Offseason Thread
Just a regular Magic fan replied to Bauncey Chillups's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
If you were going to advise Gordon, what would you have him work on to help him take the next step? -
I think the blurb under his 60th ranking in the SI top 100 NBA players kinda gets at what I'm talking about. https://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2020#80-61 He's kind of been in a weird situation consistently in his career. Comes into a situation with Harris, oladipo, and Vucevic being the main offensive cogs and Fournier and Payton getting a lot of on ball responsibility so he's left being the hustle guy. Then we transition from that team to the ibaka team where we played almost exclusively in Ibaka-vuc or Ibaka-biyombo lineups until the trade and it's an awkward fit because he can't shoot yet and Ibaka isn't a forward. Then everyone gets hurt and he starts getting a lot more offensive responsibility (even before the injuries) and he flashes some but he also looks really awkward a lot of the time and inexplicably decides to start shooting pull up threes in transition. Then Clifford comes in and Gordon is a bit wild with the ball early in the season pushing Clifford to run the offense through Vucevic and Fournier cutting his usage. But then that ends up being a great thing for Gordon because he starts to build a more efficient offensive game that he can build off of. He grabs that role as a facilitator a couple months into the season and averages 4.2 apg over the last something like 40 games. That's really good for a forward. It's not Draymond but it is Justise Winslow, Donovan Mitchell, Jimmy Butler. So he starts flashing these skills in spots (and the spots are limited because we have depth and are trying to win) where he shows legit number 1 option scoring (only 36 players have multiple 40 point games over the past 3 seasons), legitimate facilitation from the wing, elite speed with the ball in transition, a great first step, ability to bully his way to the rim, and months where he shoots 38%+ from 3. But on the flip side he seemingly has weeks where he doesn't attack the rim off the dribble with the exception of open lanes to the basket and focuses on dribbling into post fades. He has days where it's almost like he decides he wants to try moves he was working on before the game starts instead of just playing. He has months where he shoots less than 30.5% from 3. The elite speed with the ball we saw 5 times I can remember so probably less than a dozen times during the season. He doesn't use his quick step effectively often enough. With a bit more refinement and a bigger role here could easily be an all star in the east. He wouldn't be considerably different than Khris Middleton or Paul Millsap. It's not that big of a leap. Look at Vucevic. The real leap to being a star is possible. The signs are there. His growth rate and work ethic don't disqualify him from that leap. He has all of the little signifiers that this is possible. But at the same time how likely is it that he actually accomplishes that? How many players incrementally improve into "star" players? What is the benchmark for being a star? Is a more palatable Josh Smith a star?
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Being a hard worker is very underrated, and AG has made improvements to his game every year. I've always wanted to build around Fultz + BIG and that hasn't changed
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I wouldn't read too much into Gordon analysis. Just in the last month: We've had Simmons and Lowe say he's one of the most likely guys to make a leap into stardom later in his career. We've had this guy discuss him more in terms of his floor because of his great passing ability but doubts his ability to reach stardom. We had Kevin O'Connor talk about how Gordon is someone who could become a star because of consistent incremental improvement every year but "isn't the passer he expected he would be out of college". So there's a lot of mixed analysis here. There are signs he could take a leap. There are deficiencies in his game that he might not be able to improve which would keep him where he is as just a good player. This playoff run and Gordon's performance during it made him someone people must now have opinions about. But I don't think we're good at analysing ceiling for guys like Gordon who go from where he was as a rookie to where he is now. Similar situation with Jimmy Butler who went from being basically Ronnie Brewer to a franchise player. Those guys are harder to project than a guy like Paul George who had the talent from day one but coasted through much of his amateur days so there was a question about whether he'd work to reach his potential
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2019 Offseason Thread
Just a regular Magic fan replied to Bauncey Chillups's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
It's surprising to see that Gordan is only 24. It seems like he has been around forever. The article has an interesting take on Gordon's ceiling in that it isn't going to be as high as we all once hoped. That reality of that hit me in the face like a brick. I had always hoped that Gordon would be one of those that would have a breakout season. I still love the guy though. He's a gym rat, has a great attitude, is athletic as hell, and has one heck of a work ethic. I think Clifford is doing wonders with him and utilizing him in the right way. His 3 point shot has improved and his athleticism allows him to take advantage of unplanned opportunities. Even though he isn't our go-to guy, I see him as our glue guy, and IMO every team needs players like that. What about you? Are you happy Gordon is on our team, or is he someone you would trade away, if we could, for a more consistent/ productive scorer? -
Hes just that dang goooood!!!
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I also mix them up from time to time
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haha...i was bout to say i think we're on different pages!
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Wow. I meant Clifford. Don't know why my mind went there
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2019 Offseason Thread
The Neighborhood Bully replied to Bauncey Chillups's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
https://fansided.com/2019/09/16/25-under-25-2019-aaron-gordon-magic-21/ -
Skiles?
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It was mentioned in the latest Denton article in passing. Most of those articles have no real information. This is just an odd one where he was talking to Skiles who said we had optional workouts and everyone showed up with the exception of the guys playing in fiba
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Where did you hear this? i didnt see it on any twitter feeds, or my regular news feeds... I'd like to add to my list whatever place you heard it from. On other sightings I saw Jonathan Isaac at Keke's Restaurant a few Saturdays ago... i didnt want to bother him so i just said something about big fan of yours and keep posting his uplifting comments on twitter.
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