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I like to get my groin pulled on my birthday, but this is ridiculous! Tip your waitresses, i'll see myself out.

If picking Jett Howard was our worst mistake in the last 5 years we're doing pretty good.

moe wagner is the type of player i would never want to let go reminds me of how i liked this high energy players like prime bo outlaw, pietrus, gortat or darrell armstrong

I'm by no means Walter Clayton Jrs biggest fan, I like him, i'd be happy with drafting him, but I'm not sold he's some star or anything. That being said, inspired by your comment I went to barttorvik to look for similar statistical profiles to him, and now granted I used arbitrary cut off points.. (if you're interested it was: Games Played ≥ 15; Assist % ≥ 20; Ast/TO Ratio ≥ 1.5; 2P FG % ≥ 0.5; 3P FG % ≥ 0.37; 3PA/100 Poss ≥ 12; Free Throw % ≥ 0.8) ..but the only drafted player that met those thresholds (that, again, I derived from Walter Clayton Jrs profile) was 2012 Damian Lillard. But, there were also a bunch of undrafted, non prospect, scoring PGs guys like Max Abmas in 2021, Steven Ashworth in 2023 etc. If you lower some of the thresholds slightly to account for an element of randomness, and filter only for draft picks (because otherwise you get a long long list of random names and filtering for draft picks is kind of short hand for filtering out guys who played in weird low conferences or never had NBA athleticism to be considered a prospect) you get names like: Coby White Jimmer Fredette Trae Young Klay Thompson Cameron Payne Isaiah Cannan Shelvin Mack Jared Butler (Just FYI I feel like we should asterix Trae Young, and to a certain extent Lillard and Thompson because they all scored on more volume than Clayton did and I think were all more clearly NBA caliber offensive creators hence why all were high draft picks) It's a weird list that I think helps to identify the difficulty in evaluating a guy like Clayton, because there have been a lot of star NCAA guards that weren't great NBA players... But he was also statistically very impressive and he lead a team to a national championship which adds sort of 'intangible' points.

So Bane is the guy we thought he was. His numbers in the last 10 games are staggering. Grateful for the win.

You know, I'm not knowledgeable at all about how a basketball team is organized and what is involved in acquiring players for a professional team. But from time to time I have seen a term in reference to our team "getting below the apron" made by fellow Magic message board participants--you, hootie249 - CTMagicUK - Luke_FfS and others. So, to make it interesting, I found pictures of 2 guys online--wearing an apron. I was thinking that the first guy is holding a clipboard. Whatever "it is below the apron, could it be under this apron? SORRY GUYS, I KNOW THAT YOU TAKE SERIOUSLY THE STRATEGIC PLANNING OF A BASKETBALL TEAM /JUST HAVING FUN: :)

And yet he’s averaging under 5 assists a game. Need to get him to embrace the playmaking role even more over the iso bs offense

I don’t think the league is ready for when we have Suggs, Bane and Big Moe all on the court at the same time lol

I might get eye rolls for this, but watching TJ McConnell impact the finals has me thinking we should address our PG issue by bringing back *drum roll…. Markelle Fultz on the minimum. He was mentored by TJ. We could play him in a lineup where we don’t need him to be a threat to shoot; and he could be in a 10-12 mpg bench role with almost no pressure. If he’s struggling, we pull him. Just thinking of cheap alternatives. It’d be fun to bring him back in a better position to succeed

I'm sure the Magic would love to add a Penny Hardaway or a Magic Johnson but that player is not out there.

Not a single all defensive team selection for the team with the 2nd ranked NBA defense. And honestly, it's hard to look at it and say "x should have made it". Suggs and Franz didn't play enough games and then everyone else didn't have a big enough role or impact probably, except KCP but the narrative around him wasn't very strong given his weak offensive performance and big FA signing and he doesn't have ridiculous flashy defensive stats. But anyway that's a credit to Mosely's coaching to have the leagues 2nd best defense without a single all defensive team player.

No, they're only the reigning champions when healthy, they're not that great. There's a huge difference between always complaining and providing a different point of view from the "if we were healthy we would DESTROY them", or "if we had a good shooting game we would be 2-1". Like we're the only team having injuries, problems or bad shooting nights... seems like the others are always 100%, and we're always unlucky. I told you various time that I respect your faith in the team and the way you're a great fan, but you should avoid those "Give it a rest" and judging other fans just because they're pointing out real issues, or a different point of view. ;)

Don't agree with everything you say, but you are a GREAT fan, Jay.

Believe it or not It tells me everything I need to know about you actually. I don’t even need to meet you in person. Also crazy thought but a fan can be critical of the team and still be a fan. Just because some of us aren’t satisfied with mediocrity doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to voice our frustration. So you’re absolutely wrong when you say I’ll be critical of this team when we win but I digress.

Right, because the only options at point guard in the entire league are Trae Young and Cory Joseph…. Look, it’s obvious we need a better distributor that can grow with our core and bring out the best in them, I’ve been banging that drum for as long as anyone else on this board, but I’d rather it not be Trae. The foul-baiting stuff is horrible basketball and I’d rather not be in a position where I have to cheer it on.

The Mavericks are waiving recently acquired guard Tyus Jones, @TheSteinLine has learned. The move will allow Jones to seek out a playoff team and open up a roster spot for Dallas to explore its late-season options … including converting Ryan Nembhard to a standard NBA deal. Another one bites the dust for Weltman. The guy has been horrible in free agency. I think he just about stuck out every move from Aminu to KCP. It's time to send him and Mose packing.

NO MORE DARTS, WELTMAN You Can Have These Back!

I do think the Jones trade is addition through subtraction, but Jase isn’t the guy who’s going to push us up the ladder. Given the Kristas trade, I think there is a decent chance we could get Giannis for Paolo this summer now.

I’m not saying I like it, just saying I saw it lol. I’m Ayo, Coby or bust at this point. Tre Mann would somehow make our perimeter defense even worse

". . .Owners, HELLO, wake the f up!" Who are you? Why are you trying to wake me up? Don't you know I'm an owner of the Orlando Magic? Are you that annoying Magic fan and message board member "Fan For Too Long 2"? /ha,ha,ha!

Paolo Banchero is the Magic’s best player, but head coach Jamahl Mosley is proving the team can still win without him this Chandler Parsons claims he has insider sources in Orlando and around the league… he might be the new @ShamsCharania https://x.com/RunItBackFDTV/status/1995969043313164484

51 is our new record for most points in any quarter!

https://youtu.be/IjDG8eR23iI?si=3ujPf_oWLlXlCqRZ these guys haves good view on the Magic, their struggles and also their success! Worth a listen

https://x.com/UsherNBA/status/1990230217009623496 This was cold by Black. Look like Fultz.

I was concerned about replacing one KCP with another but I was convinced by several posters, including you, to give Bane more credit as a playmaker. I’d like to see what he can do if given the opportunity, especially since what we’ve seen from Suggs in the PG role has been pretty bad. If that’s worth laughing about, so be it.

Careful, if you say his name 3 times he’ll come back

to some extend yes. But accountability is a coaches responsibility. And we haven’t had accountability for our star players ever. And we see it over and over again. Paolo - turning the ball over carelessly, chucking up bad shots Franz - somehow still believes he’s an elite shooter and takes the most threes on our team. Feels comfortable chucking up step back threes but can barely consistently make spot up threes Suggs - it’s ridiculous right now. Aura farming. Again with a behind the back unnecessary pass, which leads to a turnover. What’s up with the headband around his neck. You can just feel that he plays for the show right now (although he had a productive game last night) Overall nobody plays within their strength, defined role, only accountability for rooks and bench players, still no offensive identity, no systems, basic sets, bad timeouts, bad coaches challenges, bad feel for timeouts, bad substitutions. Mosley has a lot of flaws that have been here since day one and it was cool for everybody since Mosley is such a great human being! But i feel now the players don’t want no bs and they want to win. They feel like Mosley won’t get them over the hill. Thats my feeling

Yeah the bench is really a sieve but it's weird we are healthy so why all those minutes? Also coach is putting in the wrong guys at the wrong times, like ALL EYES ON ME said a few posts up. Meanwhile, in Miami, Spoelstra is making Jaime Jaquez and Nikola Jovic look like all-stars. It's like being a Dolphins fan. Spent all those years being beat down by the Patriots, do a rebuild to get Tua(tank for tua) Tagovailoa and now sucking looking up in the standings at the, checks notes, Patriots! No way is that Heat roster better. It's the coaching.

George would've look good in a Magic uniform. Perfect fit, especially with the lack of ball handlers on this team.

that was a good game! boy it’s a joy to watch a fast pace offense and us scoring +120 points. And we weren’t even shooting the ball good! The thing about our new fast paced offense, teams usually start breaking in the 4th quarter. I’ve seen this over and over again with team germany. Gotta clean up turnovers and rebounding and this team will content for a deep playoff run! It was also a joy to watch that WCJ is back! He looked great out there

https://x.com/HunchoHoops/status/1965497859425587615

Are you ready for some basketball??? Will our rooks star? Will they at least flash? Do the Magic have the best mascot in sports? These are all relevant questions. Summer league for the Magic kicks off tomorrow night at 7:30 EDT.

https://x.com/omagichq/status/1942646217374327033?s=46 Isaac is one of my biggest X factors. In the past i was excited for him to gain weight. But that experiment had failed tremendously last season. So him going back to being more mobile and also healthy season, i’m so excited that we might actually see the best defenders of the NBA again

The Prunty hiring is official. What a stellar off-season by Weltman and Parker. I barked loud after another dead trade deadline, but he’s redeemed himself this summer and then some.

I Just seen brook Lopez in Downtown Orlando hmmm

No this is not true. The full mid level exception is available to teams under the luxury tax. Tax payer teams that are below the first apron have access to the tax payer mid level exception. If you use either you actually cannot go over the first apron. You're hard capped at the first apron amount. We're obviously declining the Queen and McClung cap holds so they hold no baring. The Jase cap hold is relevant but the Noah Penda one isn't because the second round pick exception doesn't count against the cap until after July 30th. His eventual salary does have to be factored in though if we do use the MLE and are thus hard capped at the first apron.

OKC is a rare case of a team winning the title with some key players that are still on their rookie contract, and with a ton of assets available for the future (they will reach tax problems as any team, but with a lot more options to fight against that, with all those picks helping them making moves and choices) As a team, they're incredibly young but seem really calm and hard workers at the same time, with a lot of room to improve still. We've recently seen that it only takes a injury in the wrong moment to derail a project, but their future at the moment is really bright. Wouldn't be surprised if they're the first team repeating a title after 7 different winners.

Was literally planning on making a post about this. We should push harder now, use the MLE, see if you can add a real playoff contributor on draft night with pick #25 and Jett and seconds and stuff. Just go for it.

Congrats to OKC. I agree with CT here. I don’t dislike them or anything, but i do hate that the media is pushing and praising them for their defense. They were beating up on TJ and he couldn’t get a foul call. On the other hand you can barely touch them. NBA really pushed for them to win it all. TJ is a great player. His play kept them in the game but he also had very many crucial turnovers, with the way he overdribbles. On another side not, i hate to see another star player go down and ruin his career. Makes me really appreciate how conservative our medical staff is and not rushing anybody back. looks like Haliburton tore his achilles. if that is the case, the east opened the door for about anybody now. We have to be aggressive now and take that opportunity. Trade for Sexton. Young bull would be such a great energy spark off the bench.

great win now move.

I really hope that KCP has some value still around the league (contenders) as I really see trading him as the only solution to stop the Suggs is a PG illusion (no way there're enough SG minutes for both if we keep them). KCP + fillers+picks for a PG should be our priority IMO, but I fear FO doesn't see it the same way. Suggs is the other player we would need to give up for getting something valuable back, but I fully understand it's an hard decision. The package made with our "unwanted" players (basically all the ones that doesn't perform in playoffs) with short contracts + picks would be interesting only for teams that are rebuilding or with the top priority of avoiding luxury tax and apron in the future.

They wouldn't. Everything is "rigged" apparently. The lottery, the games, trades. Yet the people saying this stuff still watch.

Heat Culture

This series is a great reminder of how close we are. Critical off-season coming up, because P5 and Boogie are ready

Most consecutive 25+ point games in the playoffs before turning 23 years old: - Kobe Bryant (7) - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (7) - Paolo Banchero (7) - LeBron James (6) Elite company

Wow so much negativity here. Where is the love and support for this basketball team? They are one game from evening up this series against the world champion Celtics. We should be applauding that instead of unleashing a bunch of negative venom filled rants. It's ok to be critical at times. And it's ok if you want to cheer for the team despite some of their obvious shortcomings. However, there has to be a healthy balance filled compromise here. We need to band together as Magic fans and do our best to support this team. After all, did we come here to lose tonight? I don't think so! We are in it to win it! Losing is not an option. So Magic fans let us unite. Blue and White Ignite!

Let’s face it. We are going to keep this coach. And for him to somehow succeed on offense, he’ll need players that do it by themselves. Here’s a trade: POR get KCP, Cole, Jett, WCJ future top 10 protected first ORL get Simons, Ayton we draft: 15th Carter Bryant 26th Clayton 2nd round Proctor Zikorsky PG: Simons, AB, Proctor SG: Suggs, Clayton SF: F. Wagner, TDS PF: Banchero, C. Bryant, M. Wagner C: Ayton, Bitadze, Isaac, Zikorsky

They dont have to create, just move, if the coach knew how to coach.

-1. The shtick gets old.

I wish they would focus on fixing the team ... not the marketing