2014 Free Agency Watch Thread

[~O~ 565]

I just posted this to show how credible CBS sports is. I thought this was true till I realized if this would have happened that Jameer would have been crucified in each and every recent* thread in this forum.

 

[Catman 380]

haha, we have the decision everyone has been waiting for... M-WILL will take his talents to...wherever is gonna overpay him the most out of frenzied desperation.

 

this free agency is like parents fighting over tickle me elmos or whatever hte hottest toy is and then buying them off ebay for way more than they're worth

 

Exactly. It puts our signings in perspective. Everyone should be happy.

 

2016 is projected by Stu Jackson to have an 80mm cap.

 

The people whining about frye for getting less than 8 then really have no idea what they are talking about.

[TrueBlueDrew 75]

UPDATED LIST

 

Centers

 

Cole Aldrich (25)

Chris Anderson (35)

Andrew Bynum (26)

Jason Collins (35)

Glen Davis (28) -- Player Option

Channing Frye (30) -- Orlando

Pau Gasol (33) -- Chicago

Marcin Gortat (30) -- Washington

Aaron Gray (29)

Spencer Hawes (26) -- Lakers

Ryan Hollins (29)

Bernard James(29)***

Chris Kaman (32) -- Portland

Nazr Mohammed (36)

Greg Monroe (23)***

Byron Mullens (25) -- Player Option

Greg Oden (26)

Emeka Okafor (31)

Zach Randolph (32) -- Memphis

Kevin Seraphin (24)***

Jason Smith (28)

Amar'e Stoudemire (31) -- New York

Ekpe Udoh (26)***

 

Forwards

 

Jeff Adrien (28) -- Player Option

Al-Farouq Aminu (23)

Joel Anthony (31) -- Boston

Carmelo Anthony -- New York

Trevor Ariza (28) -- Houston

Gustavo Ayon (29)***

Andrea Bargnani (28) -- New York

Aron Baynes (27)***

Michael Beasley (25)

DeJuan Blair (25)

Andray Blatche (27) -- Player Option

Matt Bonner (34)

Trevor Booker (26)***

Chris Bosh (30) -- Miami

Elton Brand (35)

Caron Butler (34)

Jae Crowder (23) -- Dallas

Dante Cunningham (27)

Ed Davis (24)

Luol Deng (29)

Boris Diaw (32) -- San Antonio

Drew Gooden (32)

Danny Granger (31) -- Miami

Jordan Hamilton (23)

Al Harrington (34)

Udonis Haslem (33)

Gordon Hayward (24) -- Utah

Robbie Hummel (25)

Kris Humphries (29)

Damion James (26)

Lebron James (29) -- Cleveland

Richard Jefferson (33)

Jonas Jerebko (27) -- Detroit

Grant Jerrett (21)*** -- Team Option

James Johnson (27) -- Toronto

James Jones (33)

Ryan Kelly (23)***

Rashard Lewis (34)

Shawn Marion (35)

Cartier Martin (29) -- Detroit

Kenyon Martin (36)

Jason Maxiell (31)

Josh McRoberts (27) -- Miami

Darius Miller (24)

Mike Miller (34)

Dirk Nowitzki (35) -- Dallas

Jermaine O'Neal (35)

Chandler Parsons (25)*** -- Team Option

Patrick Patterson (25) -- Toronto

Paul Pierce (36)

Damjan Rudez (28) -- Indiana

Mike Scott (25)***

Chris Singleton (24)

James Southerland (24)***

Adonis Thomas (21)***

Anthony Tolliver (28)

PJ Tucker (28) -- Phoenix

Hedo Turkoglu (35)

Jan Vesely (24)

Charlie Villanueva (29)

DJ White (27)

Marvin Williams (27) -- New Orleans

Metta World Peace (34)

 

 

Guards

 

Ray Allen (38)

Alan Anderson (31) -- Player Option

James Anderson (25)

DJ Augustin (26)

Leandro Barbosa (31)

Jerryd Bayless (25)

Kent Bazemore (24)

Chauncey Billups (37)

Steve Blake (34) -- Portland

Eric Bledsoe (24)***

Avery Bradley -- Boston

Aaron Brooks (29)

MarShon Brooks (25)

Rasual Butler (34)

Vince Carter (37) -- Memphis

Mario Chalmers (27)

Darren Collison (26) -- Sacramento

Jordan Crawford (25)***

Jared Cunningham (22)

Troy Daniels (22)*** -- Team Option

Nando De Colo (26)***

Toney Douglas (28)

Chris Douglas-Roberts (27)

Jordan Farmar (27) -- Clippers

Jimmer Fredette (25)

Francisco Garcia (32) -- Player Option

Ben Gordon (31) -- Orlando

Willie Green (32) -- Orlando

Devin Harris (31) -- Dallas

Kirk Hinrich (33)

Doron Lamb (22)

Shaun Livingston (28) -- Golden State

Kyle Lowry (28) -- Toronto

Shelvin Mack (25)***

Jodie Meeks (26) -- Detroit

CJ Miles (27) -- Indiana

Patty Mills (25) -- San Antonio

E'Twaun Moore (25)***

Anthony Morrow (28) -- Oklahoma City

Toure Murry (24)

Jameer Nelson (32)

Jannero Pargo (34)

Jason Richardson (33) -- Philadelphia

Luke Ridnour (33)

Brian Roberts (28)***

Brandon Rush (28)

Thabo Sefolosha (30) -- Atlanta

Ramon Sessions (28)

Lance Stephenson (23)

Rodney Stuckey (28)

Garrett Temple (27)

Isaiah Thomas (25) -- Phoenix

Evan Turner (25)***

Beno Udrih (31)

Greivis Vasquez (27)***

Dwayne Wade (32)

Earl Watson (34)

Mo Williams (31) -- Player Option

Nick Young (28) -- Lakers

 

 

This means they resigned with the same team

This means they signed with a different team

 

 

I might have missed one, so let me know

 

The year of the overpaid players continues...Henny's deal seem even more sensible to me now that I've seen what everyone else is doing.

[TrueBlueDrew 75]

Look at what we have done since the beginning of last season

2013-2014 Beginning Season Roster Link

 

PG

Jameer Nelson (6'0) -- 32 yrs

Ronnie Price (6'2) -- 31 yrs

 

SG

Victor Oladipo (6'4) -- 22 yrs

E'Twaun Moore (6'4) -- 25 yrs

Doron Lamb (6'4) -- 22 yrs

 

F

Arron Afflalo (6'5) -- 28 yrs

 

PF

Glen Davis (6'9) -- 28 yrs

Maurice Harkless (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Tobias Harris (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Andrew Nicholson (6'9) -- 24 yrs

 

C

Nikola Vucevic (7'0) -- 23 yrs

Kyle O'Quinn (6'10) -- 24 yrs

Dewayne Dedmon (7'0) -- 24 yrs

Jason Maxiell (6'7) -- 31 yrs

Solomon Jones (6'10) -- 29 yrs

Adonis Thomas (6'7) -- 21 yrs

 

Still on the roster:

Hedo Turkoglu (6'10) -- 35 yrs

 

Current Roster Link

PG

Victor Oladipo (6'4) -- 22 yrs

Elfrid Payton (6'4) -- 20 yrs

 

SG

Evan Fornier (6'6) -- 21 yrs

Ben Gordon (6'3) -- 31 yrs

Willie Green (6'3) -- 32 yrs

Devyn Marble (6'6) -- 21 yrs -- **I feel like the kid earned a spot with his play in SL, but that's just me.

 

SF

Tobias Harris (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Maurice Harkless (6'9) -- 21 yrs

 

PF

Channing Frye (6'11) -- 31 yrs

Aaron Gordon (6'9) -- 18 yrs

Andrew Nicholson (6'9) -- 24 yrs

 

C

Dewayne Dedmon (7'0) -- 24 yrs

Kyle O'Quinn (6'10) -- 24 yrs

Nikola Vucevic (7'0) -- 23 yrs

 

 

 

Even though it was painful letting Jameer go, it was I believe a classy move by the organization to allow him to choose a place where he can compete for a championship because I believe he deserves it. Looking at this lineup, I think it is pretty obvious that the last two years have been doing several things very well.

 

1. Cleaning up after Otis. We finally have cap space and a good balance of contracts

 

2. Getting younger, a lot of veteran pieces have left and filled with potential talent. Some could have been traded for more, but its clear the organization has a plan instead of the throw darts at the board approach like Otis seemed to do most times.

 

3. Good influence on a young locker room. That appears to be a major draw for a lot of our decisions, having guys who will come in and be professional around the newbloods. Even the targets we've been looking at, Patrick Patterson, Chandler Parsons, Greg Monroe...have all been known to be good guys in the locker room.

 

All in all, I am very happy with how Henny and the crew are approaching this rebuilding process. Instead of just throwing all our money at three players and then filling in with minimum contracts, we're building from within and with this young nucleus I think we will continue to see the Magic get better and better every season. I like a nucleus of Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Vucevic, and even throw Harris in there. I think you add defensive minded with hustle-on-every-play type of players and that becomes the beginning ingredients to a championship team. Even though we're not there yet, I can see these guys continue to get better and maybe adding 1-2 more pieces via free agency/draft and we could be in some serious business.

 

2015 -- 2 picks

2016 -- 2 picks

2017 -- 3 picks (3rd pick will either be a 1st or 2nd from LAL)

 

2015 Free Agents

W. Green (UFA)

N. Vucevic (RFA)

T. Harris (RFA)

A. Nicholson (TO)

K. O'Quinn (RFA)

V. Oladipo (TO)

M. Harkless (TO)

E. Fornier (TO)

 

2016 Free Agents

B. Gordon (UFA)

A. Gordon (TO)

D. Dedmon (RFA)

E. Payton (TO)

A. Nicholson (RFA)

M. Harkless (RFA)

E. Fornier (RFA)

V. Oladipo (TO)

 

To quote the immortal Otis...I like our team boys. I like our team.

[MagicFanInNevada 51]

TrueBlueDrew I appreciate your hard work and I thank you for the break down.

[Franchise408 116]

Look at what we have done since the beginning of last season

2013-2014 Beginning Season Roster Link

 

PG

Jameer Nelson (6'0) -- 32 yrs

Ronnie Price (6'2) -- 31 yrs

 

SG

Victor Oladipo (6'4) -- 22 yrs

E'Twaun Moore (6'4) -- 25 yrs

Doron Lamb (6'4) -- 22 yrs

 

F

Arron Afflalo (6'5) -- 28 yrs

 

PF

Glen Davis (6'9) -- 28 yrs

Maurice Harkless (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Tobias Harris (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Andrew Nicholson (6'9) -- 24 yrs

 

C

Nikola Vucevic (7'0) -- 23 yrs

Kyle O'Quinn (6'10) -- 24 yrs

Dewayne Dedmon (7'0) -- 24 yrs

Jason Maxiell (6'7) -- 31 yrs

Solomon Jones (6'10) -- 29 yrs

Adonis Thomas (6'7) -- 21 yrs

 

Still on the roster:

Hedo Turkoglu (6'10) -- 35 yrs

 

Current Roster Link

PG

Victor Oladipo (6'4) -- 22 yrs

Elfrid Payton (6'4) -- 20 yrs

 

SG

Evan Fornier (6'6) -- 21 yrs

Ben Gordon (6'3) -- 31 yrs

Willie Green (6'3) -- 32 yrs

Devyn Marble (6'6) -- 21 yrs -- **I feel like the kid earned a spot with his play in SL, but that's just me.

 

SF

Tobias Harris (6'9) -- 21 yrs

Maurice Harkless (6'9) -- 21 yrs

 

PF

Channing Frye (6'11) -- 31 yrs

Aaron Gordon (6'9) -- 18 yrs

Andrew Nicholson (6'9) -- 24 yrs

 

C

Dewayne Dedmon (7'0) -- 24 yrs

Kyle O'Quinn (6'10) -- 24 yrs

Nikola Vucevic (7'0) -- 23 yrs

 

 

 

Even though it was painful letting Jameer go, it was I believe a classy move by the organization to allow him to choose a place where he can compete for a championship because I believe he deserves it. Looking at this lineup, I think it is pretty obvious that the last two years have been doing several things very well.

 

1. Cleaning up after Otis. We finally have cap space and a good balance of contracts

 

2. Getting younger, a lot of veteran pieces have left and filled with potential talent. Some could have been traded for more, but its clear the organization has a plan instead of the throw darts at the board approach like Otis seemed to do most times.

 

3. Good influence on a young locker room. That appears to be a major draw for a lot of our decisions, having guys who will come in and be professional around the newbloods. Even the targets we've been looking at, Patrick Patterson, Chandler Parsons, Greg Monroe...have all been known to be good guys in the locker room.

 

All in all, I am very happy with how Henny and the crew are approaching this rebuilding process. Instead of just throwing all our money at three players and then filling in with minimum contracts, we're building from within and with this young nucleus I think we will continue to see the Magic get better and better every season. I like a nucleus of Oladipo, Payton, Gordon, Vucevic, and even throw Harris in there. I think you add defensive minded with hustle-on-every-play type of players and that becomes the beginning ingredients to a championship team. Even though we're not there yet, I can see these guys continue to get better and maybe adding 1-2 more pieces via free agency/draft and we could be in some serious business.

 

2015 -- 2 picks

2016 -- 2 picks

2017 -- 3 picks (3rd pick will either be a 1st or 2nd from LAL)

 

2015 Free Agents

W. Green (UFA)

N. Vucevic (RFA)

T. Harris (RFA)

A. Nicholson (TO)

K. O'Quinn (RFA)

V. Oladipo (TO)

M. Harkless (TO)

E. Fornier (TO)

 

2016 Free Agents

B. Gordon (UFA)

A. Gordon (TO)

D. Dedmon (RFA)

E. Payton (TO)

A. Nicholson (RFA)

M. Harkless (RFA)

E. Fornier (RFA)

V. Oladipo (TO)

 

To quote the immortal Otis...I like our team boys. I like our team.

 

I don't.

 

Henny came into a mess, but what we have now isn't going anywhere. I don't foresee a very vast improvement over the last couple years.

 

What really gets me is getting rid of Afflalo and Nelson, and then bringing in downgraded replacements.

 

Don't get me wrong. I understand WHY we got rid of Afflalo and Nelson. And the signings of Gordon and Frye in and of themselves don't bother me. We weren't ever in the LeBron / Carmelo / Bosh sweepstakes, and given our current state, a free agent like Pau, or that variety, is absolutely pointless.

 

What I don't understand is the combination of trading Afflalo / releasing Nelson, AND signing Gordon / Frye. It seems like, at best, a lateral move, and more realistically, a downgrade.

 

Sure, on their own, I like all our guys. But as a group? Making up an NBA team? Not so much.

 

We are going to have to wait on Oladipo, Gordon, and Payton, and while my prospect scouting can be completely off and I can be completely wrong, I don't really see a future superstar in any of these guys. I don't see a Kyrie, John Wall, etc. on this squad. I see, at best, a bunch of serviceable players, but nobody that's going to carry this team above and beyond.

 

People keep talking about clearing the cap room mess that Otis got us into, but cap room for what? We cleared cap space from Afflalo and Nelson to use what we freed up on... Gordon and Frye??? Also guys that aren't going to take us to the next level.

 

It feels like we're just spinning our wheels, stuck in the mud, not actually going anywhere. 3 top 10 picks in 2 years, and no legit #1 star anywhere on the roster. So we've been in "tank mode" for 2 years now, and haven't reaped the benefits of it. Mid tier free agents that aren't a vast improvement, if any, over what we got rid of. And loads of cap space that we're not using on anything of substance.

 

I mean, however long this rebuild takes, I'm here. I'll watch the games this year and follow the team like I always do. I'm not bailing anywhere.

 

But I don't see a turnaround on the horizon. Not anytime soon.

 

Yea, I can be completely wrong, and Oladipo, Gordon, and Payton could all turn into superstars. I'll never be so happy to come back with egg on my face. But I don't foresee it. I see quality pieces, IF we had actual top tier players to lead our franchise. I even see Oladipo being a HEAVY part of that core.

 

But I don't see the players we have suddenly developing into a bunch of high quality players that are going to turn the Magic back into a contender.

[Optimist Prime 197]

It feels like we're just spinning our wheels, stuck in the mud, not actually going anywhere. 3 top 10 picks in 2 years, and no legit #1 star anywhere on the roster. So we've been in "tank mode" for 2 years now, and haven't reaped the benefits of it. Mid tier free agents that aren't a vast improvement, if any, over what we got rid of. And loads of cap space that we're not using on anything of substance.

 

We couldn't have gotten a "#1" in the draft where we were selecting. Oladipo, Gordon, and Payton all have the potential to be all-star players.

 

It's been two years. No team can turn around that fast with what Otis left us. And don't forget that young players tend to grow and get better. I think we will be seeing a lot of that this season.

 

Letting go of Afflalo and Nelson frees up playing time for the young guards. Ben Gordon gives some competition for minutes to keep them from getting complacent. Frye fills a position of need the team has been lacking.

 

Let's see how thing play out before we label this offseason a failure. This should be a fun team to watch. I think they'll surprise a lot of people.

[CTMagicUK 1,488]

We have a top 40 protected 2nd round pick from the Lakers this year I believe. And we traded our own 2nd round pick in the Payton deal so it's possible we only have 1 pick this year not 2.

[Aussie Magic fan 18]

I don't.

 

Henny came into a mess, but what we have now isn't going anywhere. I don't foresee a very vast improvement over the last couple years.

 

What really gets me is getting rid of Afflalo and Nelson, and then bringing in downgraded replacements.

 

Don't get me wrong. I understand WHY we got rid of Afflalo and Nelson. And the signings of Gordon and Frye in and of themselves don't bother me. We weren't ever in the LeBron / Carmelo / Bosh sweepstakes, and given our current state, a free agent like Pau, or that variety, is absolutely pointless.

 

What I don't understand is the combination of trading Afflalo / releasing Nelson, AND signing Gordon / Frye. It seems like, at best, a lateral move, and more realistically, a downgrade.

 

Sure, on their own, I like all our guys. But as a group? Making up an NBA team? Not so much.

 

We are going to have to wait on Oladipo, Gordon, and Payton, and while my prospect scouting can be completely off and I can be completely wrong, I don't really see a future superstar in any of these guys. I don't see a Kyrie, John Wall, etc. on this squad. I see, at best, a bunch of serviceable players, but nobody that's going to carry this team above and beyond.

 

People keep talking about clearing the cap room mess that Otis got us into, but cap room for what? We cleared cap space from Afflalo and Nelson to use what we freed up on... Gordon and Frye??? Also guys that aren't going to take us to the next level.

 

It feels like we're just spinning our wheels, stuck in the mud, not actually going anywhere. 3 top 10 picks in 2 years, and no legit #1 star anywhere on the roster. So we've been in "tank mode" for 2 years now, and haven't reaped the benefits of it. Mid tier free agents that aren't a vast improvement, if any, over what we got rid of. And loads of cap space that we're not using on anything of substance.

 

I mean, however long this rebuild takes, I'm here. I'll watch the games this year and follow the team like I always do. I'm not bailing anywhere.

 

But I don't see a turnaround on the horizon. Not anytime soon.

 

Yea, I can be completely wrong, and Oladipo, Gordon, and Payton could all turn into superstars. I'll never be so happy to come back with egg on my face. But I don't foresee it. I see quality pieces, IF we had actual top tier players to lead our franchise. I even see Oladipo being a HEAVY part of that core.

 

But I don't see the players we have suddenly developing into a bunch of high quality players that are going to turn the Magic back into a contender.

 

 

 

Seems like we're taking a "Moneyball" approach to the team.

 

 

Henny must really believe we can hit the jackpot next year with Free agency.

[CTMagicUK 1,488]

Rockets gave Ariza the same deal we gave Frye. Looks like they'll let Parsons go. Pierce to the Wizards was a surprise.

[TrueBlueDrew 75]

We have a top 40 protected 2nd round pick from the Lakers this year I believe. And we traded our own 2nd round pick in the Payton deal so it's possible we only have 1 pick this year not 2.

 

You could be right. It was a little confusing but here is my link for what I put. It looks like it all depends on how the Lakers do next season? I could be wrong though.

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

You could be right. It was a little confusing but here is my link for what I put. It looks like it all depends on how the Lakers do next season? I could be wrong though.

 

Our second round pick is going to the Sixers.

 

Meanwhile, we get LA's pick in the second round unless it's in the 31-40 range. So it's possible we end up with no second round pick.