Franchise408

What I mean is that they are both playmakers who need the ball in their hand to facilitate. Neither of them are really off ball threats. And since there's only one ball to go around...

Let him go. Idc. Take the cap space that will open up. Probably far more valuable than anything we can actually get for him anyways.

Yea, basically. Bamba played some decent defense. He was the only one that did, and then Clifford pulled him out. Fultz and Isaac are our future. I still like Gordon and Bamba too. Everyone else needs to go. I'm sick of this Fournier & Vuc core of our team. T-Ross seems to have been fool's gold last year. He plays Kobe-ball without an ounce of Kobe's talent. Anyone NOT part of the BIG+Fultz crew needs to go away, and fast. We've made Vuc and Fournier the centerpiece of this team for far longer than they deserve. They should have been post-Dwight transitional players that got us from one roster to the next, but instead have become the roster. But as far as D'Lo goes, he's basically another Fultz. Probably better, but they are basically the same player. We don't need D'Lo here.

Embarrassing loss.

I'm glad I got the 49ers tomorrow. These Magic are so frustrating

I get why we resigned Vuc, but I think I agree. Once him, Evab, and DJ are gone, we can start truly building around our young core. Just hope by then it won't be too late for guys like Gordon, Isaac, Fultz, and Bamba.

It's so frustrating being a Magic fan. Kelle is out here working his ass off and nobody around him is doing a damn thing.

I was kinda disappointed when we took Mo out. He was at least giving us some defense in the paint.

Kelle with that poster to end the half!

I'm here at the game tonight, and lemme just say it's embarrassing af to watch a 15-0 lead get blown in about 3 minutes lol.

Why not just let his contract expire and free up that $17 million? We are over the cap, meaning we have to take back similar salary, and trading away that pending $17 million opening up for equal level mediocrity doesn't change our long term outlook, whereas having $17 million available does.

Who? Toronto didn't get their star player by tanking. Golden State's star players were all over the draft, not by tanking for a top spot. Cleveland's star was a free agent signing. They won nothing during LeBron's first run when he would have been considered a draftee. San Antonio was built through years and years of drafting all through the draft. Only Duncan can be applied to "tanking", and that wasn't so much as a tank as it was their star center got injured. Boston was built through a whole lot of trades and had no longevity. Lakers certainly weren't built through tanking. Miami needed top end free agents in both of their runs. Dallas' star was a #11 pick. Detroit wasn't built by tanking. Pretty sure that covers the last 20 years and not one championship team was via "tanking"

Good. Then we can finally move on.

Nobody is trading for Fournier and that contract

What moves can we make? We can't make moves because of all the years of tanking. We have crap players on awful contracts like Fournier who are entirely immovable, and those contracts make it impossible to sign anyone else. We have guys like Fultz and Isaac to build around, and a vet in Vooch, but everything else is entirely unmovable and hindering us from getting better. We are stuck in neutral until guys like Augustin and Fournier come off the books and open up some space for us.