J.J. 's future? Coach Moreau says it's time for respect(pg.12)

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by 135BPM+:

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Originally posted by bravlady:

Same lame argument, different day! The naysayers said JJ wouldn't get any PT last season and he became an asset when SVG's back was against the wall. I believe the Magic took 10 steps forward during last season and this off season took 20 steps backwards. They are now 2 seasons from getting any where near the finals. The championship chemistry they built this past season is now gone and it will take at least another season to find it and build on it. Too many new players will have to learn the SVG way and that is not easy to do. JJ's not going any where too soon. At least until SVG figures out what he's got or rather what he doesn't have.

 

Excellent post,

 

It took JJ the better part of 2 seasons to learn to fit into Stan's system. Stan has stated how impressed he is in Redick's improvement and how pleased he was in JJ's performance during the playoffs. I'll be the first to say that JJ is no ALL STAR at this time but neither are Barnes, Bass, or Anderson and these guys have not played one possession within Stan's system. Every post that is made about the DEFINITE impact these any of these new signees will bring is pure spectulation. Although I do feel that VC is an upgrade over Turk I think it defintely remains to be seen if the the others bring better chemistry than Skip.Lee, and Batee.

 

Actually, it's a horrible argument. JJ got a shot early last season and blew it. Lee quickly surpassed JJ on the depth chart and never looked back. The only reason JJ got significant time in the playoffs was Lee's injury and the fact that he held his own defensively against Allen. How much playing time did JJ see in the very next series? About as much as you would expect him to see on a regular basis. He played one game against Cleveland. The series where Orlando played their best ball, completely dominating what many thought was a superior opponent, JJ played in one game.

 

He has improved in his time in Orlando, but all these claims of "so and so hasn't played in Stan's system, JJ has, blah blah blah", it's all crap. JJ hasn't worked his way in because it took him that long to learn Stan's system. JJ is one of the smartest guys on the team, this is how redickulous it is for the JJ Fanatics to make this argument. If Stan's system is so difficult, that it takes JJ two years to learn it and get playing time, how bad does that make JJ look when Lee comes in as a rookie and passes him up before the season is half over?

 

It took JJ 2+ years to earn minutes with Stan because it took JJ 2+ years to get to a point where he was not a complete defensive liability. That's it.

 

Now, as for the bold text above. SERIOUSLY? You say it's just speculation for someone to say that they know Bass will be more effective than Battie or Barnes will be more effective than JJ, but then you turn around and say that VC is a definite upgrade over Turk? Why? Because you agree with one point and disagree with the others does not make the same stupid logic you used in one case non-existent in the other. There are plenty of Turk fans (probably on the Raptors forum by now, thank god [little G since it is not a specific god, but just any god in general]) that would disagree with you and say that Turk proved himself in Stan's system and that Carter has not. It's one thing to voice an opinion, but you are lambasting a group of people for their poor logic in their opinions, then turn around and contradict yourself in the very next thought.

[Knappy 0]

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Originally posted by ball junkie:

Okay, ESPN just posted a big article about free agency 2010...looking ahead.

 

Of course, the Magic don't figure to be players at all...not being mentioned.

 

Now on Mr. Redick...this from ESPN Insider...

 

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Group II: The restricted free agents

 

Just one player from the first-round draft class of 2006 -- Bargnani -- has signed an extension this summer. Teams and eligible 2006 draftees have until Oct. 31 to work out extensions, so I'd expect several more to be added to this list over the course of the next few months. The remaining players who don't get extensions will be restricted free agents in the summer. As we've seen in the past few years, it's very difficult for most restricted free agents to move to a different NBA team. This past summer, not one major restricted free agent has moved to another NBA team (Charlie Villanueva became an unrestricted free agent when the Bucks decided not to retain him).

 

While there will be more teams with serious cap space next summer, don't expect things to change for restricted free agents.

 

Questons for discussion...

 

1.) Assuming we have until October 31 to work out an extension...I thought if we didn't he would become an "UN" restricted free agent...this article says if he doesn't get an extension he is then "RE" stricted...Is this correct?

 

2.) What happened to all of that talk on this board about making J.J. a qualifying offer...is this what the article is referring to???..It has to be made before October 31???

 

3.) What indicators contract wise will occur to help us understand whether he has a future here...or somewhere else?

 

I'm thinking if the team offers him an extension it means that his future is here in Orlando....

 

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba...010FreeAgents-090803

 

I think the Magic would consider matching a lower offer for JJ if they can't move him before the deadline, but I don't see him staying here. The qualifying offer as you all have mentioned would be a bit high for JJ - maybe not too high for another team where he would log consistent minutes - he won't get that here unless Pietrus is injured. I think he has potential, but with Vince and Pietrus - well JJ will likely be playing somewhere else - I see another team maybe offering him $3.5 million to see what he can do, but I don't see the Magic matching unless he plays great this season.

 

I do see him getting some playing time though to showcase him and because he does have potential, but many games he may not be on the court and I am sure that he wants to play.

 

If he gets regular playing time, likely on anohter team, he might play well, but it is a bad fit for him here - I hope we can get something in trade. I'd be happy to keep him for the right price, but I don't see it.

[135BPM+ 0]

It took JJ 2+ years to earn minutes with Stan because it took JJ 2+ years to get to a point where he was not a complete defensive liability. That's it.

 

Now, as for the bold text above. SERIOUSLY? You say it's just speculation for someone to say that they know Bass will be more effective than Battie or Barnes will be more effective than JJ, but then you turn around and say that VC is a definite upgrade over Turk? Why? Because you agree with one point and disagree with the others does not make the same stupid logic you used in one case non-existent in the other. There are plenty of Turk fans (probably on the Raptors forum by now, thank god [little G since it is not a specific god, but just any god in general]) that would disagree with you and say that Turk proved himself in Stan's system and that Carter has not. It's one thing to voice an opinion, but you are lambasting a group of people for their poor logic in their opinions, then turn around and contradict yourself in the very next thought.

 

 

 

I agree with you that it took JJ 2 seasons to get to the point that he was not a defensive liability. The point is HE IS NOW PRETTY MUCH PAST THAT POINT and is a pretty (not great) but decent defender. Stan gave him a shot at starting last season because of his offensive capibilities even though Stan knew he was a defensive liability but thought his offensive produtivity would outweigh his poor defense and JJ lost out to Lee because he could not make an open shot. However, due to losing his spot to Lee, JJ has now worked on and improved his D dramaticly. Do you really think Redick's poor shooting woes are going to continue? I don't. I see JJ regaining his shot over the summer and along with his newfound improvrd defense, he will push for 20-25 mins a game this season.

 

As for my Turk vs. VC comparison, you're right. Its just my opinion that VC is an upgrade over Turk and its no more than pure spectulation. Just like its pure spectulation that Barnes, Bass and Anderson will be an upgrade over Lee, Skip and Battee within Stan's system. I disagree with bravlady that we have taken 20 steps backward but I am concerned about possible chemistry issues. I think Stan will search and find the correct rotation and everyone will be given a fair opportunity. One thing we all know. You don't preform, Stan will give you the hook.

 

GO MAGIC!!!

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

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Originally posted by 135BPM+:

I think Stan will search and find the correct rotation and everyone will be given a fair opportunity.

 

Why do JJ fans want to treat this team like the YMCA 8 and under league?

 

You people made the exact same argument about fairness last year. SERIOUSLY: http://orlandomagiczone.com/ev...121036225#7121036225

[Eyriq 0]

Redick may still have a future on the team as the 2cd-3rd string SG since a) Barnes is effectively on a 1 year deal and B) like DOM so eloquently pointed out Redick fills a specific niche need for the team; 3pt point sharp shooting.

 

Here is what some other 3pt specialists make around the league;

 

Jason Kapono: $6,212,960

Kyle Korver: $5,155,115

Sasha Vujacic: $5,000,000

Matt Carroll: $4,700,000

Daniel Gibson: $4,088,500

Eddie House: $2,862,000

Brent Barry: $2,062,800

Daequan Cook: $1,362,120

Steve Novak: $1,030,180

 

Most likely though Redick won't see much floor time unless he has had made drastic strides in expanding his game, preferably towards improved ball handling and court vision. Carter and Pietrus will most likely eat up all the SG minutes for the next 2-3 years.

[TragicFan 0]

He will be traded before the end of the year.

[PEC 0]

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Originally posted by TragicFan:

He will be traded before the end of the year.

 

Coming from you that means Redick stays with the Magic. Considering your track record lol

[jec 427]

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I see JJ regaining his shot over the summer and along with his newfound improvrd defense, he will push for 20-25 mins a game this season.

 

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thank you so very much.

[NickAnderson 14]

Call me a hater all you want but 135BPM+ is so far up JJ's *** it isnt even funny.

[Give Me Redick All Day 109]

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Originally posted by NickAnderson:

I hope we trade his ***.

 

1. He sucks.

 

2. I wont have to see anymore JJ Reddick threads.

 

I am blind-sided by the quality of your posts when it comes to Redick. BLIND-SIDED I SAY!

 

/sarcasm

[Give Me Redick All Day 109]

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Originally posted by jecMagicMan:

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I see JJ regaining his shot over the summer and along with his newfound improvrd defense, he will push for 20-25 mins a game this season.

 

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thank you so very much.

 

Yeah, I learned my lesson the hard way when it came to making baseless assumptions without valid statistical facts backing me up.

[Kramer 0]

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

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Originally posted by 135BPM+:

I think Stan will search and find the correct rotation and everyone will be given a fair opportunity.

 

Why do JJ fans want to treat this team like the YMCA 8 and under league?

 

You people made the exact same argument about fairness last year. SERIOUSLY: http://orlandomagiczone.com/ev...121036225#7121036225

 

Surprise, surprise DoM is making generalizations, probably about race.