Mack1085 57 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 It won't. Gordon is 20 and is going to be developed like he is 20. If we draft a PF or SF it will not tell us too much that we don't already know. The Magic believe he can play both positions and he played both positions last year. He even guarded 5s and 2s at times. He is a swiss army knife really. We could resign Harris and let him and Gordon battle for minutes, and it does not mean that the Magic don't think Gordon will not end up the starter at some point. My opinion has alway been that Harris is a super 6th man who can come off the bench and play 3 or 4 and get lots of minutes while giving our bench the scoring punch it desperately needs. I don't disagree that Gordon is a swiss army knife kind of player. But if they believe Gordon is a long-term starter (which at the #4 pick, I'd hope so), then picking another long-term starter in this draft whose primary position is a 4 would tell me something if there was an equally good/upside player who they could pick whose primary position was a 3. Now, if you think Henny is drafting like Hinkie and just collecting assets, you're right, you can't read anything into duplicating positional talent with high draft picks. As for your thoughts on Porzingis, I completely agree. While he won't be as good of a rim protector as a Dedmon or WCS, I think he can provide enough help defense in the paint to improve our rim protection and when you add his offensive contribution to that, he'd be a net positive over a rim protector who doesn't help/hurts our floor spacing. I also think you maximize Gordon's defensive skills by putting him on athletic wings more than stretch 4's or down-low bruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 I love the idea of Ed Davis. Did anyone else see his PER? In case not it's 20. Under the radar Henny-style guy who we should have signed last summer frankly. I bet you didn't know that Davis rated lower than Channing Frye in rim protection last year : http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 I bet you didn't know that Davis rated lower than Channing Frye in rim protection last year : http://nyloncalculus...rim-protection/ That's okay, he can still rebound and defend better than Frye (not saying much I know). Btw, Frye also rated higher than Anthony Davis for some context. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 I bet you didn't know that Davis rated lower than Channing Frye in rim protection last year : http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/ And by that, Frye was better than Anthony Davis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 And by that, Frye was better than Anthony Davis. ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyce_1 311 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 A DraftExpress scouting breakdown earlier this year mentioned the former Wildcat's shooting stroke as a "strength" to his game, even if UK fans rarely got to see it outside of pregame warm-ups. So Givony knew Cauley-Stein could shoot. He just didn't know he could shoot like he did Monday, when he was draining jumpers from all over the floor in a variety of ways. "Just to see him knocking down three-pointer after three-pointer — that I wasn't really prepared for," he said. "There's a difference between hitting that shot by yourself in a gym and doing it in a game with a defender on you and all that pressure," Givony said. "But that's how guys become shooters. They work on it by themselves, and they get more comfortable with it in the game setting. I think what this means to me is that he has the potential to develop into that." DraftExpress.com projects Cauley-Stein as the No. 5 overall pick to the Orlando Magic, though Givony said Wednesday that he could "totally see" the former UK center go to the New York Knicks at No. 4. No matter where he ends up, he'll be expected to make an immediate impact. "I think whatever team he's going to go to is going to really need him," Givony said. "I don't see him coming in and being like a project guy, playing 10 minutes a game. I think that whoever picks him is going to need him to come in and play a role right away, and I think he's ready to do that." Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/06/04/3884 ... rylink=cpy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Interesting thought: Vuc took a decent number of threes in college. If Orlando takes WCS, would we perhaps see Vuc try to extend his range out to NBA 3-point range and become the oh-so-rare stretch 5? If he became effective from out there, I could see the offense working with WCS as the p-&-r man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyce_1 311 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Interesting thought: Vuc took a decent number of threes in college. If Orlando takes WCS, would we perhaps see Vuc try to extend his range out to NBA 3-point range and become the oh-so-rare stretch 5? If he became effective from out there, I could see the offense working with WCS as the p-&-r man. Good thought. I don't see why it couldn't work with Vuc standing in his sweet spot, that 18'-20' range. Vuc could catch the pass and shoot it, or catch and throw the lob to the rolling WCS, or just hit whoever is standing in the corner for the corner 3. If defender is tight on Vuc, Elf or Vic could go straight to the hoop for layup or lob to WCS. Could also skip pass it to the corner. Another option is to let WCS pop instead of rolling. Depending on how defense rotates on the back side, can hit the corner for open 3, hit WCS for open jumper (comfortable with him taking it), or just let ball handler go at his man 1-on-1 with no help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
God Hates Otis Smith 153 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 And by that, Frye was better than Anthony Davis. that's why team and sample size has to be considered davis challenges everything. frye will routinely just let guys score instead of putting forth an effort Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Yeah, but that's no fun for discussion. At the end of the day whoever rob picks I'll be fine with because we only have 50% of the information. Watch him pick Cameron Payne Payne over Porz I would be fine with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Good thought. I don't see why it couldn't work with Vuc standing in his sweet spot, that 18'-20' range. Vuc could catch the pass and shoot it, or catch and throw the lob to the rolling WCS, or just hit whoever is standing in the corner for the corner 3. If defender is tight on Vuc, Elf or Vic could go straight to the hoop for layup or lob to WCS. Could also skip pass it to the corner. Another option is to let WCS pop instead of rolling. Depending on how defense rotates on the back side, can hit the corner for open 3, hit WCS for open jumper (comfortable with him taking it), or just let ball handler go at his man 1-on-1 with no help. He would need to extend beyond that 18'-20' range. NBA defenses are too quick these days. For it to work as a consistent offensive set he needs to be near the 3-point arc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Better DJ & Photographer 457 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 2 questions: If it turns out the WCS really CAN shoot and just wasn't used as a shooter in college, would you take him at 5 if the Knicks didn't at 4 even if Mario or Porzingis was still available? If the Knicks DO take WCS at 4 that means either Russell or Mudiay are still available at #5... so now who do you take? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
