JJ and Bogans shooting % for Dec. and Jan.

[jgadd3 0]

JJ - 21-41 fg 51% 3 pts 10-23 44%

 

Bogans - 30-85 fg 35% 3 pts 20-62 32%

 

After a tough start JJ has somewhat found his groove, while Bogans is about that same as he always has been. Should JJ take some of Bogans minutes when he comes back, or do we stay with the status quo?

[jgadd3 0]

JJ - 21-41 fg 51% 3 pts 10-23 44%

 

Bogans - 30-85 fg 35% 3 pts 20-62 32%

 

After a tough start JJ has somewhat found his groove, while Bogans is about that same as he always has been. Should JJ take some of Bogans minutes when he comes back, or do we stay with the status quo?

[Murphy13 190]

i dont think there is any doubt that redick should get bogans' minutes...its obvious that bogans has been struggling. the more interesting stat would be to compare redick's fgs vs. lee's fgs.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

Perhaps a decision of this magnitude should be made with more information on hand than simply FG shooting percentage?

 

Call me crazy.

[PNuT1423 0]

after watching the last month i blieve they will both be moot points behind a healthy peitrus and lee, stan will probably go to bogans more because physical defensive play but that's the only edge bogans seems to have on mr. redick, but it's still a major edge when it comes to this team.

 

last night was a win, but caron butler basically did whatever he wanted in the second half including keeping it under a 10 point lead with a few minutes to go in the fourth, basically by himself. and i think caron would have reached 30something pts like anthony parker did against us if lee didn't have a few steals and their offense didn't get funneled into dwight.

 

this is why, even though bogans(if healthy) with a worse shooting percentage would see time over guys like jj, and even lee, just for staight up physical defensive purposes, he's not on the all nba defensive team by all means, but that's physical 2 guard defense and 6 fouls in our favor against guys like parker/butler/any sg out there that can blow us up like that again, well a healthy bogans, i saw him in a suit, i don't even know what he injured, or where. hedo did grab for his knee at times.

[Murphy13 190]

echo, when the topic of the thread is field goal shooting, what other parameters would you like to include? how about speed of the players? or number of steals they get? they certainly are what determines whether you make your shots or not...

 

crazy.

[davcivic 11]

Right now if we need defense we will have Pietrus, Lee and Bogans...Pietrus was brought in to be our starter...Lee is a promising rookie so he should get more minutes than Bogs..

 

The other thing Bogans had going for him was his shooting and defense, but because his shooting has been horrible he is the odd man out..

 

JJ has been shooting good and we need scoring off the bench. Last night he got 8 points, 3 rebounds, 1 steal in 18 mins. with a +9..

 

Right now(as the team is right now, but if they where all healthy) I think it should be Pietrus, Lee, JJ, Bogans....

 

But you have to give Bogans a chance to play when not injured, maybe that injury was affecting his game.

[PNuT1423 0]

well also take into consideration who they are actually shooting over, and not just who what part of the game are those shots taken, i'd rather take a 3 point shot over a tired dwayne wade in the 3rd quarter of a game than him well rested at the start of a game. and is it even dwayne, and not his backup? how many magic players did they have to use as a screen to get open? that would tell us the probablity of who is out of place so we could maybe get the rebound. is bogans injured and just good at hiding pain? i saw him in a suit last night and didn't see him get injured in game at all. did jj eat his wheaties? lol yeah there are alot of things that comes into play with fg percentage, but i guess we would be crowded with new forum posts if we started listing every stat line that someone does better than someone else for a month, or even the things that the nba doesn't have a stat for.

[John the Jerk 0]

Ok lets get one thing straight. BOGANS IS NOT A GREAT DEFENDER!!! Sg's go off on him or should I say over him. Bogans does a good job against preventing his guy from getting to the basket and running through screens. However, guys who can rise up and hit a mid range jumper kill Bogans because he has no lift to seriously contest jumpers. 98% of the Sgs in the league have more lift than Keith. Bogans may still have a place on this team but I don't see him as our Starting SG.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

quote:

Originally posted by murphy13:

echo, when the topic of the thread is field goal shooting, what other parameters would you like to include? how about speed of the players? or number of steals they get? they certainly are what determines whether you make your shots or not...

 

crazy.

 

Call the thread what ever you want, discuss whatever you want, but if you want to pose the question of who should get the minutes at the SG postion, do you honestly think the only thing that should be discussed is fg%?

 

Crazy.

[Emory889 353]

quote:

Originally posted by murphy13:

echo, when the topic of the thread is field goal shooting, what other parameters would you like to include? how about speed of the players? or number of steals they get? they certainly are what determines whether you make your shots or not...

 

crazy.

 

I think we can permit ourselves to think outside of the box and consider other factors than field goal percentage. I'm sure Stan isn't looking at his shooting guards shooting percentages to determine who plays.

 

JJ has played better the past few weeks. We are going to need him with Bogans out so hopefully he keeps it up. The two Hawks games will be real tests for him.

 

If JJ manages to keep it up he should receive some of Bogans minutes.

[Murphy13 190]

cunning, i am trying to understand where you are coming from.

 

first of all, the point wouldnt/isnt moot, because pietrus is going to be out until after the all star break, and lee isnt capable of playing more than 18-20 minutes effectively. where are the other 20+ minutes going to come from? secondly, what games have you been watching to suggest that bogans is a physical defender? i have yet to see that. in fact, i have seen bogans on his heels a lot on D this season-if anything, his D is worse than last season. both lee and redick are equal or better defenders than him, and have more energy than bogans ever had.

 

what does caron have to do with our sg talk? lee didnt guard caron straight up, he provided help D, and may have gotten the switch once, but didnt 'guard' him. lee is perhaps the smallest 6'5" player in the history of the game, why would he be guarding a cut, 6'9" guy that would eat him alive? on a separate note, redick still looks taller to me than lee does...maybe its the goofy hair, i dont know. anyway, back to topic...

 

i heard that bogans has an ailment of some kind-but havent heard what exactly. i have a feeling its as much to do with fatigue as it is with an injury.