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[ball junkie 277]

I talked to blank1 for an extended time and Blank2 briefly...blank1 told me he didn't believe a word of what Otis and Stan were saying in the media now about Redick being in the rotation... Blank1 said J.J. doesn't believe it either...don't forget... Blank1 said there is absolutely "ZERO" trust between J.J. Redick and Stan and Otis. Blank1 told me his opinion is that the Magic are trying to build J.J.'s value which is what I have suspected all along. Blank1 said even if they trade Bogans he still doesn't think Redick will get any playing time. He said they would trade J.J. in a heartbeat but that he doesn't have any value and at this point Bogans has more value to other teams.

 

Just an added note on J.J. from me here, he looked like last year last night possibly even worse. Trajan Langdon is a guy I compare Redick to frequently because their games are similar and their careers could very well mirror each other also. Trajan was a great Duke shooter but was not athletic enough to make it in the NBA. The Magic had one possession last night where they gave J.J. an iso on none other than Langdon...J.J. tried to back him down unsuccessfully, couldn't get around him so ended up shooting a fadeaway that Trajan "BLOCKED"! For the record...J.J. is 6'4 and Langdon is 6'3... For me that tells the story on J.J....I actually read some posts on the board this morning that said J.J. played good defense, sometimes when I read the Homerism on the board when it pertains to J.J. it makes me ill. Bogans is a little rusty with his shot but was his old pesky self defensively last night...he looked the same as usual getting in guys and challenging on defense.

 

Blank1 told me Otis is going on a scouting trip because he is looking for another big man...he said Otis wouldn't admit it but he knows that is the reason...look for either J.J. or Bogans or I forgot to mention Cook to be traded. Blank1 told me and I quote," Stan can't stand Brian and his lazy ways" end quote. Let the speculation begin!!!

 

Lastly, Blank1 said that Vasquez has been impressive but that his contract runs for "TWO" more years...he said the buyout was for something like 5 million and if he played here he would have to take a rookie contract so if he came he would basically be playing for nothing. I suppose it's posible his team will lower the buyout...we'll see. I then ran into Blank2 after visiting with Blank1. He told me basically the same thing...that we knew all along he could play when we drafted him but they were still optomistic about him coming over. Blank2 verified what I was thinking in that Fran has bulked up. Blank2 told me not to get my hopes up to high "YET". He would most likely be here when the new arena opens up. Blank1 told me the Magic should have played hardball with Fran the moment he started wavering after the draft...they should have told him to get his butt over here now or he would never play in the league or something to that effect.

 

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This is from my friend Steve Kyler...he'll have a more in depth write-up on it in his morning report either Monday or Tuesday:

 

quote:

Junkie-

 

Here is what you do not know... or weren't told...

 

The Magic are more inclined to re-sign Hedo than trade him, making keeping

Keith more about smart economics... if you take Hedo's $6,864,200 and add

Keith's $2,550,000, you get a first year salary in the $9.4 range, or a 5

year deal worth roughly $50 million, without increasing the Magic's self

imposed salary restrictions. They toss in an extra million or two, and now

your taking $55 to $57 without much strain on the cap. It also gives them

a year to develop Courtney Lee.

 

I would put trading Keith Bogans at less than 20%... Stan continues to

talk up Keith and his knowledge of the system.

 

Trajan Langdon has lunch with JJ yesterday and the too talked a lot about

the good ole days, and Trajan told JJ to keep plugging away. Its clear JJ

does not feel he'll get a real shot in Orlando, at least that's what

Trajan eluded to. A person I trust, told me JJ was told to play good

soldier in pre-season and either he'd earn a role or a trade. My gut says

JJ would prefer a trade, and I think the Magic know it.

 

JJ continues to duck the media, last night the guys were grouping up for

dinner after the game, and JJ blew off Dwight's invitation, which came off

like a joke initially, but was serious on Dwight's part. D12 simply rolled

his eyes.

 

The guys like and respect JJ, and talk highly of him to the press but he

is not part of "the team". Courtney Lee is picking MP up for practice and

joining Jameer and Rashard for dinner, JJ is skating out the side door.

You do the math.

 

Brian Cook took offense on Wednesday to the notion that he's not in shape,

saying to me that he'd been working out every day in September with the

team, and that he was in the same shape as everyone else. Cookie is

normally for low key, he was physically annoyed at the suggestion he was

not in shape.

 

The two guys most likely traded in my opinion would be Cook and Redick -

those guys are not part of the core.

 

I also would not expect anything immediate either. The Magic are ultra

sensitive about chemistry and how long it stakes to learn Stan's system.

 

Last night's minutes showed where Stan is leaning with regards to a

rotation. He kept his core guys on the floor for almost 30 minutes, which

was his goal.

 

Steve

[ball junkie 277]

I talked to blank1 for an extended time and Blank2 briefly...blank1 told me he didn't believe a word of what Otis and Stan were saying in the media now about Redick being in the rotation... Blank1 said J.J. doesn't believe it either...don't forget... Blank1 said there is absolutely "ZERO" trust between J.J. Redick and Stan and Otis. Blank1 told me his opinion is that the Magic are trying to build J.J.'s value which is what I have suspected all along. Blank1 said even if they trade Bogans he still doesn't think Redick will get any playing time. He said they would trade J.J. in a heartbeat but that he doesn't have any value and at this point Bogans has more value to other teams.

 

Just an added note on J.J. from me here, he looked like last year last night possibly even worse. Trajan Langdon is a guy I compare Redick to frequently because their games are similar and their careers could very well mirror each other also. Trajan was a great Duke shooter but was not athletic enough to make it in the NBA. The Magic had one possession last night where they gave J.J. an iso on none other than Langdon...J.J. tried to back him down unsuccessfully, couldn't get around him so ended up shooting a fadeaway that Trajan "BLOCKED"! For the record...J.J. is 6'4 and Langdon is 6'3... For me that tells the story on J.J....I actually read some posts on the board this morning that said J.J. played good defense, sometimes when I read the Homerism on the board when it pertains to J.J. it makes me ill. Bogans is a little rusty with his shot but was his old pesky self defensively last night...he looked the same as usual getting in guys and challenging on defense.

 

Blank1 told me Otis is going on a scouting trip because he is looking for another big man...he said Otis wouldn't admit it but he knows that is the reason...look for either J.J. or Bogans or I forgot to mention Cook to be traded. Blank1 told me and I quote," Stan can't stand Brian and his lazy ways" end quote. Let the speculation begin!!!

 

Lastly, Blank1 said that Vasquez has been impressive but that his contract runs for "TWO" more years...he said the buyout was for something like 5 million and if he played here he would have to take a rookie contract so if he came he would basically be playing for nothing. I suppose it's posible his team will lower the buyout...we'll see. I then ran into Blank2 after visiting with Blank1. He told me basically the same thing...that we knew all along he could play when we drafted him but they were still optomistic about him coming over. Blank2 verified what I was thinking in that Fran has bulked up. Blank2 told me not to get my hopes up to high "YET". He would most likely be here when the new arena opens up. Blank1 told me the Magic should have played hardball with Fran the moment he started wavering after the draft...they should have told him to get his butt over here now or he would never play in the league or something to that effect.

 

------------------------------------------------

 

This is from my friend Steve Kyler...he'll have a more in depth write-up on it in his morning report either Monday or Tuesday:

 

quote:

Junkie-

 

Here is what you do not know... or weren't told...

 

The Magic are more inclined to re-sign Hedo than trade him, making keeping

Keith more about smart economics... if you take Hedo's $6,864,200 and add

Keith's $2,550,000, you get a first year salary in the $9.4 range, or a 5

year deal worth roughly $50 million, without increasing the Magic's self

imposed salary restrictions. They toss in an extra million or two, and now

your taking $55 to $57 without much strain on the cap. It also gives them

a year to develop Courtney Lee.

 

I would put trading Keith Bogans at less than 20%... Stan continues to

talk up Keith and his knowledge of the system.

 

Trajan Langdon has lunch with JJ yesterday and the too talked a lot about

the good ole days, and Trajan told JJ to keep plugging away. Its clear JJ

does not feel he'll get a real shot in Orlando, at least that's what

Trajan eluded to. A person I trust, told me JJ was told to play good

soldier in pre-season and either he'd earn a role or a trade. My gut says

JJ would prefer a trade, and I think the Magic know it.

 

JJ continues to duck the media, last night the guys were grouping up for

dinner after the game, and JJ blew off Dwight's invitation, which came off

like a joke initially, but was serious on Dwight's part. D12 simply rolled

his eyes.

 

The guys like and respect JJ, and talk highly of him to the press but he

is not part of "the team". Courtney Lee is picking MP up for practice and

joining Jameer and Rashard for dinner, JJ is skating out the side door.

You do the math.

 

Brian Cook took offense on Wednesday to the notion that he's not in shape,

saying to me that he'd been working out every day in September with the

team, and that he was in the same shape as everyone else. Cookie is

normally for low key, he was physically annoyed at the suggestion he was

not in shape.

 

The two guys most likely traded in my opinion would be Cook and Redick -

those guys are not part of the core.

 

I also would not expect anything immediate either. The Magic are ultra

sensitive about chemistry and how long it stakes to learn Stan's system.

 

Last night's minutes showed where Stan is leaning with regards to a

rotation. He kept his core guys on the floor for almost 30 minutes, which

was his goal.

 

Steve

[KillingInTheNameOf 63]

 

 

I personally don't think there's ever been much of a comparision between JJ & Langdon. JJ's game as a Fre. was pretty similiar to Langdon's, but he developed into a far more complete scorer. His ability to shoot off screens alone sets him apart from Langdon.

 

Interesting stuff and thanx for the post!

[Soul Bro 1,422]

Wow. Interesting info, especially the bit from Kyler. Should be interesting. Thx BJ.

[ThisIsTheYear 241]

Just wondering, how on earth does Kyler know what Langdon and Redick were discussing at lunch? Was he hiding in the sandwich?

[Diplo 12]

I was hoping JJ playing wouldn't mean increasing his value.

 

Magic better not trade JJ. So JJ had 1 bad shooting night. Probably because he was on the bench til middle of 3rd qtr. Bogans is still the only player to not score on our team. Bogans being a good defender is such bull. Sure there's some nights where he's average, but there's also a lot of nights where he's very poor. Redick can at least score when he's on the court, being probably the only player off the bench who can come in and give us a spark offensively (except maybe Lee) Redick hasn't been abused on d so far.

 

And last, why does this board think so highly of Kyler??? This guy is just about as unreliable as it gets. What did he ever said that was true? Hedo for Vice, JJ for Haslem, JJ for Critt, Fran & 1st for Critt? Dude is reaching Peter Vecsey status.

[bhnole 153]

quote:

Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:

Just wondering, how on earth does Kyler know what Langdon and Redick were discussing at lunch? Was he hiding in the sandwich?

 

He hired a special agent

 

 

I would not be surprised if they are trying to pump up JJ's value. Lee gives them enough depth at SG and has more upside than JJ IMO.

 

I really like what I have seen out of AJ, but I still think another PG is higher priority over a big. At this point I really don't believe much of what Otis floats out there. He has become a master of disinformation.

[I love my PTSD. 92]

quote:

Originally posted by ball junkie:

I actually read some posts on the board this morning that said J.J. played good defense, sometimes when I read the Homerism on the board when it pertains to J.J. it makes me ill. Bogans is a little rusty with his shot but was his old pesky self defensively last night...he looked the same as usual getting in guys and challenging on defense.

 

 

Wow, BJ. What game did you watch.

 

Yes, JJ got blocked by Tragan on a post up. But what does that have to do with JJ's defense. I recall Howard getting blocked in that game too.

 

JJ was effective on defense in that game. If that comment makes you ill, then go take another Midol. I don't recall anyone scoring on him, and I do recall 3 separate instances where his hustle and movement resulted in causing turnovers by the Russians.

 

Meanwhile, I can't recall a single positive thing that Bogans did in the game. And I watch the game carefully. And unlike you, I am hoping for all of the players to do well.

 

I cannot dispute what your "blanks" said, but I do know what I have seen in each of the three preseason games.

 

If they are setting JJ up for a trade, then so be it. I can live with it. My opinion doesn't count much. Fortunately, it counts as much as yours.

 

But your constant complaints about JJs play rank right up there with the most vocal of the Arroyo fanatics. Lofty company indeed.

[ball junkie 277]

The Russians didn't attack J.J.'s defense the way most NBA teams will because quite frankly...Trajan Langdon was their most athletic guy. J.J. only played most of the 4th quarter which was serious garbage time...here's the kicker...the Magic had I don't know how many possessions where they gave Redick the ball in iso situations to let him work...he couldn't beat any of the slower Russian guys off the dribble...none.

 

It amazes me how so many people have enjoyed having Stan as our coach and think highly of the teams progress behind his direction...except when it comes to Keith Bogans and J.J. Redick. Stan gave Bogans close to 30 minutes a night last season and he always played in the 4th quarter...Stan's decision's...I guess because Bogans doesn't score like crazy makes people think he is no good...Keith is a role player and does it well...this board highly undervalues what he does...probably because J.J. is the most popular player on the Magic and Bogans is the least...

 

ST since 90, I'll agree with you...thank God

Stan doesn't follow the opinion's of the majority of people on these boards.

 

 

Oh, and say what you want about Kyler but he is in the Magic lockeroom after every game and has relationships with all the players...I am pretty sure they tell him things from time to time.

[Murphy13 185]

i dont know what to think about what the blanks said. however, your analysis of the russia game is in the minority, meaning no one else saw what you saw. and, langdon was never as good as jj in college...and that trend probably continues.

 

secondly, i know kyler gets interviews with the players and such...but his analysis always has been more entertainment than substance. no offense to him...i enjoy his articles, but he is rarely right when it comes to insider info regarding player movement.

 

third, bogans role is clearly diminished on the team, and he has a more favorable contract and is just versatile enough to find a spot as a second or third string 2/3 on most any team. therefore, he is quite tradeable. regardless of what some people think is the reasoning behind jj playing, the fact is that he is playing well. because of that, the magic will be hesitant to trade him unless if a deal they cant refuse comes along.

 

aside from all that, i appreciate you re-asserting your opinion of jj on all of us.

[Shine88 89]

quote:

Originally posted by ball junkie:

The Russians didn't attack J.J.'s defense the way most NBA teams will because quite frankly...Trajan Langdon was their most athletic guy. J.J. only played most of the 4th quarter which was serious garbage time...here's the kicker...the Magic had I don't know how many possessions where they gave Redick the ball in iso situations to let him work...he couldn't beat any of the slower Russian guys off the dribble...none.

It amazes me how so many people have enjoyed having Stan as our coach and think highly of the teams progress behind his direction...except when it comes to Keith Bogans and J.J. Redick. Stan gave Bogans close to 30 minutes a night last season and he always played in the 4th quarter...Stan's decision's...I guess because Bogans doesn't score like crazy makes people think he is no good...Keith is a role player and does it well...this board highly undervalues what he does...probably because J.J. is the most popular player on the Magic and Bogans is the least...

 

ST since 90, I'll agree with you...thank God

Stan doesn't follow the opinion's of the majority of people on these boards.

 

 

Oh, and say what you want about Kyler but he is in the Magic lockeroom after every game and has relationships with all the players...I am pretty sure they tell him things from time to time.

 

Iso isn't Redick game that what we got players like Turk and Jameer for. The last time I check iso isn't Bogans game either, Bogans ball handling is terrible, he a spot up shooter just like Redick.

 

Stan is trying to use Redick in a role like Damon Jones (who he coached in Miami). If you look at our team it's almost identical to Stan 04-05 Miami Heat team. That was the year that Damon Jones had his best career, and now that we have Pietrus (who's a defensive specialist)Redick will be able to see some minutes. As far as Bogans I say we trade him to the 76ers for Reggie Evans.

[Diplo 12]

I didn't watch the game vs. CSKA but JJ can beat players off the dribble. Remember that and 1 vs. Ginobili. JJ is a winner, he plays hard, he's smart, a good passer and of course a great shooter. What is Bogans good at?? He's just an average defender who is used as a 3pt specialist and isn't a very good one. Reason why he played so much last year because we had no good defenders from pg to pf. Now we have Pietrus, Lee, AJ, Battie to hinder JJ's defense. And the team defense with JJ Redick on the floor has been good. And JJ is the only offensive threat that can provide a spark off the bench. We need Redick. We don't need Bogans to stand in the corner, Bogans didn't get any minutes on any other team til he played with us. That guy is just a scrub! Nobody is undervaluing him, he's just not a good player. I have no idea why you like Bogans so much, and dislike Redick so much.