New PG poll, will it matter?

[Hutchence 1]

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Originally posted by jonathan:

It's like anybody can have the oportunity except Arroyo...

 

Give me a break

[lazyberbs 0]

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Originally posted by jonathan:

Well, I heard some guys here saying that Carlos played bad when he got a lot of minutes on court so I whent to his stats and I found some stats that say otherwise, he had 6 games over 25 min./game and are as follow:

 

Team min. f/g f/t reb. ast. t/o pts

 

Por 31:31 7/10 1-1 5 7 1 15

SAS 30:00 6/9 0-0 2 7 3 12

MIL 31:14 5/7 4-4 3 7 3 14

TOR 28:16 9/17 4-4 6 2 2 22

WAS 26:57 9/13 2-3 1 4 0 23

ATL 25:19 9-9 3-4 3 3 2 22

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min. fg ft reb ast/g to ppg

total: 28:51 .692 .875 3.33 5 1.8 18

 

As we can see from the stats above looks like Carlos has excelent numbers to make people start thinking about him as starter.

 

These sound good for starting as a Shooting Guard but do not say much about starting as a Point Guard. Assists very low and assists are what we need from our POINT GUARD.

[ibonedteribell 0]

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As for Jameer, this is the year we are trying to figure out if he is our future PG. Thats why he is getting the playing time.

We? Who is we? Jameer fans? Are you implying we are treating the season as a summer camp and fans are paying their money to see their team loose to loosers?

<So its in Nelsons hands to show the Magic that he is a fit for this team or not. So this is a critical part for the Magic, because we need to know.>

Again who is we? Why is it critical to the magic his performance? Do you mean Otis? Or Jameers fans?

[jonathan 0]

Lazyberbs, did you read the stats before write your answer to me ? Arroyos ast average is 5 in those 6 games and if you see his 3 games over 30 minutes he made 21 asts good for 7 ast/game and that my friend are very good num. for a pg and sg too, anyway those number are way better than Nelson stats. With that been said arroyo stats are prooving you wrong.

[rarlequin 0]

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Originally posted by Adam_Magic:

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Originally posted by Jose:

Lets not overrate Diener, he isn't anything special. He's not fast or athletic. He's not good at penatrating. He jumpshot is sweet and doesn't turn the ball over, but he isn't a good passer or scorer. Arroyo and Dooling would be much better options.

 

 

 

Since when do you have to be athletic or fast to be a good PG? The best PG in the NBA (Nash) is about as athletic as Charles Barkley (with his current physique!!)

 

Diener hasnt been given a chance, he is a good passer and his handles are excellent not to mention his shooting ability.

 

Jameer and Carlos have both proven they cannot produce for this team so we need to give someone else a shot!

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Stupid comment really, how is it that nash is not athletic???? excuse me....im @##@!!% I could guess that he is an athlete and has a great work ethic so how in the he** hes not athletic, have you seen his moves , penetratios, this and that etc etc... come on or are you going to tell me that Stockton wasnt. Arent they fasssttt WhATTTTT **&^%*^$&$#$ athletic in their own way. O wait you have to dunk to be an athlete ok....crazy MOD LMAO

[rarlequin 0]

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Originally posted by barnettej:

Because Carlos hasnt proved that he can run the team consistently. The minutes he does get he has been off and on.

 

As for Jameer, this is the year we are trying to figure out if he is our future PG. Thats why he is getting the playing time.

 

We have plenty of time with Carlos, although we all know he isnt going to be the Future PG, because if he was he would have been starting.

 

So its in Nelsons hands to show the Magic that he is a fit for this team or not. So this is a critical part for the Magic, because we need to know.

 

Ok now you guys are trying to figure it out, ok i understand. And what happened at firs didnt you guy said he will be an allstar and compared hi to the best pg in the league. I think i was the first to say that he was not going to be that good or great so look it up/...They gave carlos a chance sure...with a terrible lineup at that time and i think is unfair to judge, but i rather see him as a backup he brings a lot more than anyone else of the bench, but the problem is that they see him on fire extending leads or diminishing leads and they put him back on the bench.

[Magicfirst 0]

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Originally posted by barnettej:

Because Carlos hasnt proved that he can run the team consistently. The minutes he does get he has been off and on.

 

As for Jameer, this is the year we are trying to figure out if he is our future PG. Thats why he is getting the playing time.

 

We have plenty of time with Carlos, although we all know he isnt going to be the Future PG, because if he was he would have been starting.

 

So its in Nelsons hands to show the Magic that he is a fit for this team or not. So this is a critical part for the Magic, because we need to know.

 

I really don't get where you make that statement from.The magic were really bad last year until they made the trade with Detroit if you look at the rest of the season they were one of the hottest teams in the nba.If you remember the first game that Carlos and Darko played, the magic were losing until Carlos came in.From then on we were a hot team.The beggining of this season if you remember Carlos made a game winning shot and the media was saying there might be a PG controversy.IT is a fact that the less minutes he gets the more we have lost.That is a fact,There has to be a hidden motive behind him not being allowed to play.Maybe some of the fans or magic personal don't like the kind of fans he brings.But the truth is if he was the problem like many people here make it sound then the magic would be winning.You could hate him for whatever reason but the truth is that he has played behind some very good point guards,and I am sure that if they give him a chance we could do some damage in the playoffs.

[Emory889 353]

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Stupid comment really, how is it that nash is not athletic???? excuse me....im @##@!!% I could guess that he is an athlete and has a great work ethic so how in the he** hes not athletic, have you seen his moves , penetratios, this and that etc etc... come on or are you going to tell me that Stockton wasnt. Arent they fasssttt WhATTTTT **&^%*^$&$#$ athletic in their own way. O wait you have to dunk to be an athlete ok....crazy MOD LMAO

 

You are making yourself look foolish. Steve Nash is a great point guard but he isn't very fast or athletic. If you watch the Suns you will never see Nash in a isolation unless a big man was switched onto him. The Suns use constant pick and rolls to cause matchup problems and Nash being the basketball genius that he is picks the other teams apart. The same is true for his penetration...its 90 percent set up by the pick and roll.

 

Let me clarify this before you try to turn this around on me. By NBA standards he isn't particularly athletic (neither was Stockton). If Nash was in the draft today the scouting report would say very smart player with average athletcism. In fact that is the reason that Nash dropped to the middle of the first round.

 

Of course if you watched the games instead of reading boxscores you might know this already.

[Heakoner 0]

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Originally posted by richnba:

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Originally posted by jonathan:

No, those numbers are the only games he played over 25 min a game and thats the answer for those that claim Carlos cant receive a lot of min. on court.Now you can go find a different excuse.

So in those games in which he got 25 minutes or more, those 6 games, it determines he should start?

 

What about when he plays 20 minutes and gets 4 pts on 2-10 shooting 2assists and 5 t/o's.

 

Arroyo had gotten so bad tha the was to the point where he would stop looking for his teammates on certain possesions as Meer does now to, neither of them should be starting.

 

 

5 TO?? Do you know when was the last time CA had 5 TO? Jan 7 against Boston. And before that it wasn't until last season. So when you talk please bring facts not pure mumbling. Also I am sick and tired of the people here saying this and that person did not make any assist. Well did you know what an assist is? let me give you the NBA, FIBA explanation of an assist "Assist: A player earns an assist when his pass leads directly to a basket by a teammate." also, Official 2004 NCAA Basketball Statistics Rules, an assist has to be "a major part of the play," which either finds the player already with a "positional advantage," or helps him or her get one.

This team can not compare to the Detroit Piston on that matter (Where Carlos had more Assists) because they CAN SCORE. Also Mr. B Hill only has like five plays that where probably made by a two year old.

 

PS. Dwight average 3.86 TO per game. Last big one? 11 TO on Feb 26 against Chicago any 5 TO or more every other game like last night 5 TO or the night before 7 TO or the other 6 TO or the next 6 TO, etc, etc, etc.....

[JAVIER 0]

since the beginin of the season is proved the team is better when Ariza, and Arroyo are playing.

 

and Arroyo had bad luck when he was a starter because there was three players injured and one of them was Trevor

[Puerto Rico 0]

I dont think Jameer needs to go to the bench, he is the starting point guard and that should stay that way. This season the magic had their best start since I dont know when and they did it with a very succesful rotation that for one reason or another the went off. However, they have not gone to that rotation in some time now, in fact Arroyo is not even part of the rotation. I think that the most inteligent thing is to go back and do what was so succesful at the beginin. If you already know you can do something one way because you have already done it, why do other things that are not working and never had? Anyway they are not winning so is better to waste some wins trying to get back the succesful way than wasting wins getting nowhere

[Diplo 12]

I would kill for Diener to play.