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DONDE PUEDO VER EL JUEGO ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

TREMENDA NOTICIA !!!!!!! Me alegra de corazon que esta odicea se alla acabado.Me acabe de enterar minutos atras ... un poquito tarde

quote: Originally posted by Dr. Basket:Luke y Jonathan: Me parece que varias personas de este foro quieren hacer creer a los dem

Gente please... calm down. Oigan este asunto de carlos no es para separarnos,por el contrario, deberia unirnos dandonos a mi entender un poco de espacio en nuestras mentes para entender de que si pudo haber y de hecho que hay un gran disgusto de los americanos por aquella derrota y por el gesto de Carlos con la camiseta. Conspiracion como tal ? NO CREO... pero si puedo entender que como en cualquir trabajo, organizacion, el comentario de disgusto por una accion de x persona (alto rango o liderazgo) influye ya sea por respeto, o por entender que es un mensage indirecto o subliminar,temor, o hasta unica y sencillamente que no quieren hacer sentir mal al tal leader o persona de rango que las personas se coiben de alguna accion aunque esta accion no se mala. Esto es para los que no creen que hay algo contra Carlos. Ahora , para los que si creen que hay algo en cierta forma contra Carlos (me incluyo)por eso traemos reportages y comentarios de Carlos, Sloan ect.pasados para relacionar posibles causas en este delicado Caso de Carlos. Debemos de tratar de informar y transmitir nuestros pensamientos de una manera pasiva y cordial porque de lo contrario estariamos poniendo a la persona que nos escucha en contra ataque solidificando su pocision sin entonces verdaderamente reflexcionar de nuestro mensaje. Al fin y al cabo buscamos hacer amistad no enemistad y compartir atravez del este foro desde cualquier parte del mundo que nos encontremos

Point guard Arroyo thinks it's time for him to start again By Tim Buckley HOUSTON

The trade should be an important one for the Pistons. They have been thin at the point guard position since letting Mike James leave in free agency this summer. Billups and Hunter are really combo guards, so a true point guard should help the team. Utah's decision to dump Arroyo so quickly is surprising, even given his major falling-out with Jerry Sloan this month. Arroyo has gained a solid rep throughout the league thanks to his play last season and in the Olympics, and he was drawing rave reviews from Sloan in camp for his improvement. "Carlos looks very good," Sloan told Insider in October. "He's much better than he was a year ago. He's in better shape. He's more confident. ... He came ready to compete, and I think he's capable of having a big year." What a difference a few months -- plus a preseason injury and Keith McLeod's breakout season -- make. The team seemed to play with more energy when McLeod was in the game. Combine that with what Sloan believed to be Arroyo's questionable work ethic and attitude since his return, and maybe it was inevitable that the two were heading for divorce court. As for Campbell, expect the Jazz to waive him immediately. Under current rules, only the Bobcats and Nets have the cap room or trade exceptions to pick Campbell up off waivers. If Campbell were to clear waivers, the Pistons would be free to pick him up.

quote: Originally posted by CarlosDarwin: quote: Originally posted by jonathan:Ok, aqui tengo este otro link que fue borrado pero al menos tengo la pagina del anuncio : Posted at 09:09 AM Jan 12 2005 Pistons want Jazz' Arroyo Ben Maller's NBA Rumors & Notes A rumor saying that the Pistons are interested in Utah point guard Carlos Arroyo may be true, but the sides would likely be unable to work out a trade. The two sides talked a week to 10 days ago, but...... Link Jonathan, me quieres explicar que es lo que quieres probar con los links que estas buscando? Yes my friend. Lo que quiero es mostrar las razones que dan a pensar del porque muchos criticos que en algunos casos son gente respetada del deporte estiman que "hay" bola negra contra Carlos en la nba y digo nba porque Carlos en lo que esta enfocado en estos momentos es en la nba, por que el publicamente lo dijo inmediatamente termino el 1er a

Ok, aqui tengo este otro link que fue borrado pero al menos tengo la pagina del anuncio : Posted at 09:09 AM Jan 12 2005 Pistons want Jazz' Arroyo Ben Maller's NBA Rumors & Notes A rumor saying that the Pistons are interested in Utah point guard Carlos Arroyo may be true, but the sides would likely be unable to work out a trade. The two sides talked a week to 10 days ago, but...... Link Estoy tratando de encontrar un link en el cual lei que en entrevista a Larry Brown del porque del poco tiempo de juego a Carlos Arroyo cuando Carlos pertenecio a Detroit y Larry Brown solo dio una respuest vaga ( sabiendo por donde venia la pregunta ) dijo: "I feel sorry for him". Yo a la verdad esperaba que dijera de excusa su defensa o algo logico de su juego... pero como la pregunta lo cogio por sorpresa... dudoso no ? La entrevista fue por alguien del periodico orlando sentinel pero no recuerdo su nombre. seguire buscando.

quote: Originally posted by jonathan:Uno de los reportages aqui : Jazz dismiss Arroyo trade rumors 0 Comments | Deseret News (Salt Lake City), Jan 13, 2005 | by Tim Buckley Deseret Morning News * 1 * 2 * Next The Jazz denied Wednesday they are talking seriously about trading point guard Carlos Arroyo, the former starter who remains buried deep on coach Jerry Sloan's bench -- and who still is quite unhappy with his lack of playing time. "We've had no substantive conversations with anybody about trading Carlos Arroyo," said Kevin O'Connor, senior vice president of basketball operations for the 13-24 Jazz. "Have I talked to a lot of people about a lot of things? Yeah," O'Connor added. "And names have come up. Carlos' name's come up. Everybody's name comes up on our roster. When you lose, that happens. And you look to improve yourself." Most Popular Articles O'Connor, however, bristled at an Internet report that earlier this week falsely suggested Arroyo had already been traded. "It's not fair to Carlos," he said. "It's not fair to us." A report in Wednesday's Detroit Free Press said the Jazz recently spoke with the Detroit Pistons regarding a potential trade involving Arroyo, but that very same report suggested such a swap is unlikely. According to the Free Press: "A rumor saying that the Pistons are interested in Utah point guard Carlos Arroyo may be true, but the sides would likely be unable to work out a trade. The two sides talked a week to 10 days ago, but Arroyo signed a four-year contract worth a reported $16 million last July, and there aren't a lot of players on the Pistons' roster that the Jazz covet other than starters." Asked if he had engaged in substantive conversations with the Pistons regarding Arroyo, O'Connor's response was curt: "Nothing." Nonetheless, Arroyo, now in his third season with the Jazz, is frustrated.

Uno de los reportages aqui : Jazz dismiss Arroyo trade rumors 0 Comments | Deseret News (Salt Lake City), Jan 13, 2005 | by Tim Buckley Deseret Morning News * 1 * 2 * Next The Jazz denied Wednesday they are talking seriously about trading point guard Carlos Arroyo, the former starter who remains buried deep on coach Jerry Sloan's bench -- and who still is quite unhappy with his lack of playing time. "We've had no substantive conversations with anybody about trading Carlos Arroyo," said Kevin O'Connor, senior vice president of basketball operations for the 13-24 Jazz. "Have I talked to a lot of people about a lot of things? Yeah," O'Connor added. "And names have come up. Carlos' name's come up. Everybody's name comes up on our roster. When you lose, that happens. And you look to improve yourself." Most Popular Articles O'Connor, however, bristled at an Internet report that earlier this week falsely suggested Arroyo had already been traded. "It's not fair to Carlos," he said. "It's not fair to us." A report in Wednesday's Detroit Free Press said the Jazz recently spoke with the Detroit Pistons regarding a potential trade involving Arroyo, but that very same report suggested such a swap is unlikely. According to the Free Press: "A rumor saying that the Pistons are interested in Utah point guard Carlos Arroyo may be true, but the sides would likely be unable to work out a trade. The two sides talked a week to 10 days ago, but Arroyo signed a four-year contract worth a reported $16 million last July, and there aren't a lot of players on the Pistons' roster that the Jazz covet other than starters." Asked if he had engaged in substantive conversations with the Pistons regarding Arroyo, O'Connor's response was curt: "Nothing." Nonetheless, Arroyo, now in his third season with the Jazz, is frustrated.

Baya baaaya... Saludos a todos. Hace tiempo no entraba al forum a escribir pero lo leo no se cuantas veces al dia. Yo pertenesco a varios forums de nba y recuerdo haber escrito que Carlos no reciviria una oferta de de ningun equepo de nba cuando se hacia agente libre aqui en Orlando...Cual era la razon ? Para mi fueron 2 razones primordiales : 1) La humillante derrota de USA ante PR y el gesto de Carlos con la camiseta. 2) El problema de Carlos con Sloan traeria una larga cola. CASUALIDAD CUMPLIDA TOTALMENTE !!! Ahora explico mis razones a lo antes escrito y por lo cual pienso asi desde antes de Carlos llegar a detroit.Despues de aquella paliza al DREAM TEAM por una u otra razon, que pudiera ser desear en su equipo al exelente jugador que acabo con ellos o la la mera razon de desquite contra el (yo llamo esto en puro castellano Benganza )...Se que esto a traido grandes controversias entre los mismos latinos y muchos juzgan solo por encerder fuego ya que no cuentan ninguna prueba que no sean rumores y otros que sencillamente no habren la mente a considerar la otra opcion sin dar provabilidad a equibocarse en su pensar. Hubo un dato curioso que me llevo a sospechar... y fueron unos comentarios de Carlos cuando estaba en Utah en el cual Carlos reclamo que no sabia el por que Sloan lo metio al banco en entrevista de un periodico y el otro dato curioso fue casi instantaneo cuando lei el rumor que los Pistons (Larry Brown a mi pensar)querian a Carlos y tanto Sloan como el due

Carlos is out,like it or not... cause very player wants to be starter and money talks too, it's fact. Plus isn't good to be a backup of another backup and being even Dooling (who doesn't run a team is in front of him )? IMHO Carlos already has his mind done.

Faux... like it or not, I have to agree with you at some extent.Carlos fans need to pray for Carlos to be traded in order to get playing time since Otis did fall in love afair with Jameer.Otherwise, your comment about squiter ,ect... made you look like a hurt feeling fan whom needs to atack Carlos and company. My personal opinion is Carlos best thing to happen is being a free agent and choose the team who really needs him ( and there are some around ) plus that team will pay Carlos maybe more than what he is earning right now,maybe if he is lucky he can find out somebody as dummy as Otis Smith is and will receive 35mil./5 year contrat LOL. There is no other lover in the nba like Otis LOL

quote: Originally posted by CarlosDarwin:jonathan: quote: Otis Smith is ...well, Otis Smith ! Magics really need a big, then why not to use the expirings to catch that big ? Plus the nonplaying players like J.J. and C.A. will find a place where they can have a bigger role in their teams. At the end, everybody will be happy ! the magics will have the big they need, the players will have playing time (hopefully),and there will be peace in the forum ! I'll miss the passion carlos fans bring to the message board and to the court since almost all of them will part too... Sorry jonathan, Otis does not listen to your prayers and "God" is with Arroyo! ????

Otis Smith is ...well, Otis Smith ! Magics really need a big, then why not to use the expirings to catch that big ? Plus the nonplaying players like J.J. and C.A. will find a place where they can have a bigger role in their teams. At the end, everybody will be happy ! the magics will have the big they need, the players will have playing time (hopefully),and there will be peace in the forum ! I'll miss the passion carlos fans bring to the message board and to the court since almost all of them will part too...