jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, harryfromphilly said: yeah i would agree better but i was thinking the shoot first, chuck 'em up mentality but Mauro says i'm wrong, herro more team oriented so mea culpa lol Herro actually reminds me a lot of JJ Reddick after he got the NBA game figured out. The constant motion, stop and pop, lethal 3-pt shooter with his feet set type of game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TreyMachine 399 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, jmmagicfan said: Herro actually reminds me a lot of JJ Reddick after he got the NBA game figured out. The constant motion, stop and pop, lethal 3-pt shooter with his feet set type of game. The question is whether he brings overall more to the table than what we believe Jalen Suggs will bring in the next 1-2 seasons. Suggs is a greater passer and defender, and reportedly his shot is looking a lot better... but by trading for Tyler Herro, you eliminate a place for Jalen Suggs (whom I assume would be traded in the package). Black and Anthony as a second unit seem to have very complementary skill sets. I think if we trade for Herro, Suggs is the odd man out (unless we see Herro as a 6th man player like Cole - but like Cole, I feel like Herro wants to be a starter). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ball junkie 277 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 Orlando Magic Deals: Agreed to a reported two-year, $22 million deal with forward Joe Ingles Agreed to a reported two-year, $16 million deal to re-sign center Mo Wagner It doesn't appear this offseason is going to bring Orlando a marquee upgrade via free agency to try to get back to the postseason after jumping from 22 wins to 34 last year. The Magic entered free agency with up to $20 million in cap space after guaranteeing the contracts of guards Markelle Fultz and Gary Harris. Signing Ingles to a deal near the non-taxpayer midlevel exception will utilize most of that room. Given Orlando's need for shooting and fondness for size on the perimeter, Ingles could be a fit. He played well for the Milwaukee Bucks after coming back from an ACL tear ahead of schedule in December, shooting 40% from 3-point range and duplicating his per-minute scoring and assist averages from the previous season with the Utah Jazz prior to the injury. With Ingles set to turn 36 before opening night, aging is a concern. Milwaukee limited Ingles to 22.7 MPG in a reserve role and the Magic have enough depth on the perimeter, including lottery picks Anthony Black and Jett Howard, to manage his playing time the same way. Signing Ingles left Orlando with about $9 million in space, which they could increase to $11 million by using the room exception to re-sign Wagner while renouncing his Bird rights. Given the Magic already have 16 players under contract and will have to waive someone prior to opening night, that room might best be utilized taking on an unwanted salary via trade. Playing alongside younger brother Franz, Wagner had the best season of his career in 2022-23, averaging 19.5 points and 8.4 rebounds per 36 minutes. Although a below-average 3-point shooter (32% career, a tick higher than last season's 31% mark), Wagner is skilled enough to be a threat facing the basket and give Orlando a slightly different look than with starting center Wendell Carter Jr. Since Franz Wagner isn't due for an extension until next summer, it seems reasonable to think that these contracts will give the Magic flexibility to create cap space in 2024 and go shopping for a bigger upgrade then. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37919140/nba-free-agency-2023-reaction-biggest-signings-summer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orlandoholic 137 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 this is crazy amount of money through around in the NBA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,491 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, orlandoholic said: this is crazy amount of money through around in the NBA This will be us next summer with Franz (and possibly Suggs depending on how this season goes for him) and the summer after with Paolo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orlandoholic 137 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said: This will be us next summer with Franz (and possibly Suggs depending on how this season goes for him) and the summer after with Paolo. Suggs? never.. Franz, possibly but he ain’t that category yet imo. Paolo is our only „worthy“ max player on our roster as of now.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,491 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, orlandoholic said: If you read this it's obvious why we drafted Ant Black. He brings/does naturally, so much of the stuff on that screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,491 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, orlandoholic said: Suggs? never.. Franz, possibly but he ain’t that category yet imo. Paolo is our only „worthy“ max player on our roster as of now.. Franz is getting a max. Suggs won't get a max but if he has a good season he'll probably get 20+ mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said: Franz is getting a max. Suggs won't get a max but if he has a good season he'll probably get 20+ mil. I'm not sure about Suggs. He's had two inefficient, injury prone years. Not throwing shade at him, but I believe he has a long way to go to get a decent deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,218 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 Cole is in the same position now that we’ll be in with Suggs a year from now and so far we haven’t rushed to extend him. It’ll all depend how much Jalen improves next season. And unless something crazy happens like Franz’ arm falls off, he’s getting a max extension next off-season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ball junkie said: Orlando Magic Deals: Agreed to a reported two-year, $22 million deal with forward Joe Ingles Agreed to a reported two-year, $16 million deal to re-sign center Mo Wagner It doesn't appear this offseason is going to bring Orlando a marquee upgrade via free agency to try to get back to the postseason after jumping from 22 wins to 34 last year. The Magic entered free agency with up to $20 million in cap space after guaranteeing the contracts of guards Markelle Fultz and Gary Harris. Signing Ingles to a deal near the non-taxpayer midlevel exception will utilize most of that room. Given Orlando's need for shooting and fondness for size on the perimeter, Ingles could be a fit. He played well for the Milwaukee Bucks after coming back from an ACL tear ahead of schedule in December, shooting 40% from 3-point range and duplicating his per-minute scoring and assist averages from the previous season with the Utah Jazz prior to the injury. With Ingles set to turn 36 before opening night, aging is a concern. Milwaukee limited Ingles to 22.7 MPG in a reserve role and the Magic have enough depth on the perimeter, including lottery picks Anthony Black and Jett Howard, to manage his playing time the same way. Signing Ingles left Orlando with about $9 million in space, which they could increase to $11 million by using the room exception to re-sign Wagner while renouncing his Bird rights. Given the Magic already have 16 players under contract and will have to waive someone prior to opening night, that room might best be utilized taking on an unwanted salary via trade. Playing alongside younger brother Franz, Wagner had the best season of his career in 2022-23, averaging 19.5 points and 8.4 rebounds per 36 minutes. Although a below-average 3-point shooter (32% career, a tick higher than last season's 31% mark), Wagner is skilled enough to be a threat facing the basket and give Orlando a slightly different look than with starting center Wendell Carter Jr. Since Franz Wagner isn't due for an extension until next summer, it seems reasonable to think that these contracts will give the Magic flexibility to create cap space in 2024 and go shopping for a bigger upgrade then. https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37919140/nba-free-agency-2023-reaction-biggest-signings-summer Good post. Seems we're just going for the homegrown method and pushing cap space into 2024. That said, we are now set up with a massive amount of expiring details heading towards the trade deadline and next summer. If a young star becomes available in a trade, we are primed to pounce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
