2014 Draft Thread

[jmmagicfan 302]

The depressing part about it is that someone wrote it and actually thought it was a good analysis/idea.

 

Wow, that analysis was such a pipedream I couldn't believe they actually published it. Maybe someone should tell them Otis is not in charge here anymore, so the days of overvaluing former GSW players are done!

[Murphy13 185]

Well if you keep saying Young isn't very athletic it's bound to become true, right? Don't let a body of work get in your way or anything.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Well if you keep saying Young isn't very athletic it's bound to become true, right? Don't let a body of work get in your way or anything.

 

The average measurements for a sg is 35.4 for max vert, young had a 35.5 max vert. Hence average athleticism.

[ML6 520]

I'm convinced Murphy just argues for the sake of arguing at this point. You can't possibly have watched Young play or done any research on his game whatsoever besides seeing the UCONN dunk in order to assert he is a terrific athlete.

 

I guess the guys at DX didn't let the body of work get in their way either, considering the fact that they also come to the average athleticism conclusion.

[Murphy13 185]

Well damn, if I knew that's the sole determinant for athleticism I would have kept my mouth shut. I mean, MCD gets his feet a whopping 1" higher off the ground, he must be the second coming of Tigger with a jumpshot! Max vert...I'll just go back to eating pizza... :tmt:/>

 

All sarcasm aside that guy is just young but has all the tools to be a helluva SG in this league. He is fast, can turn on a dime, can flush with ease (regardless of how high his feet get off the ground), and has a beautiful stroke to go with a strong scorers mentality. Doug McDermott might be a better player but Young is no slouch, I would certainly take him over Stauskas. I'm still not convinced Gary Harris is going to be an NBA shooter, more like a poor man's Courtney Lee-which isn't very good.

[Murphy13 185]

I'm convinced Murphy just argues for the sake of arguing at this point. You can't possibly have watched Young play or done any research on his game whatsoever besides seeing the UCONN dunk in order to assert he is a terrific athlete.

 

I guess the guys at DX didn't let the body of work get in their way either, considering the fact that they also come to the average athleticism conclusion.

 

Let me ask you something, do you believe what others tell you all the time? Or just those that have a website where they hire people like Brian Schmitz to make little youtube videos and point out things from players they like?

 

I have been preaching Young since the fall. Sorry dude.

[JamminJ21 35]

Let me ask you something, do you believe what others tell you all the time? Or just those that have a website where they hire people like Brian Schmitz to make little youtube videos and point out things from players they like?

 

I have been preaching Young since the fall. Sorry dude.

 

I personally value Mike Bianchi's opinion/word higher than anything else.

 

All jokes aside, i think young can be really good...never doubt a lefty's ability to shoot (or think he can shoot in Josh Smith's case). I'm sure Henny and the gang will take a look and review all their options.

[ML6 520]

Let me ask you something, do you believe what others tell you all the time? Or just those that have a website where they hire people like Brian Schmitz to make little youtube videos and point out things from players they like?

 

I have been preaching Young since the fall. Sorry dude.

 

I just graduated from an SEC school. I watched, and I'm sure of this, more Kentucky basketball than you did this year. I am not using DX as my only source of information, much as you are using blind ignorance as yours.

 

You just said that vertical is not the only indicator of athleticism, and you'd be correct. It is certainly one part of it, but what are the other parts, and does James Young have them? Well, if he were athletic, would he be able to stay in front of his man on defense? Probably, but he can't. Would he be able to routinely beat people off the dribble and get to the basket? Probably, but he can't. Would he be able to recover on defense and rotate to pick up another player's man? Yeah, but he's really not so great at that either.

 

I am well aware that you have been preaching Young since the beginning, which is precisely the problem. You haven't updated your opinion as an overwhelming body of evidence has been built. Should we still be using penicillin to treat every infection since, you know, it was great in 1928? Of course not, because our understanding of disease has changed since then. I'm not out to get you dude. It doesn't make you look any better to assert that DX videos are "little youtube videos" either when the proof is often right there.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Well damn, if I knew that's the sole determinant for athleticism I would have kept my mouth shut. I mean, MCD gets his feet a whopping 1" higher off the ground, he must be the second coming of Tigger with a jumpshot! Max vert...I'll just go back to eating pizza... :tmt:/>/>

 

All sarcasm aside that guy is just young but has all the tools to be a helluva SG in this league. He is fast, can turn on a dime, can flush with ease (regardless of how high his feet get off the ground), and has a beautiful stroke to go with a strong scorers mentality. Doug McDermott might be a better player but Young is no slouch, I would certainly take him over Stauskas. I'm still not convinced Gary Harris is going to be an NBA shooter, more like a poor man's Courtney Lee-which isn't very good.

 

 

He didn't do the other drills.

 

I'm fine with drafting young but saying we should draft him for his athleticism is like saying we should draft ennis for his defense.

[HeHateMe 697]

I personally value Mike Bianchi's opinion/word higher than anything else.

 

All jokes aside, i think young can be really good...never doubt a lefty's ability to shoot (or think he can shoot in Josh Smith's case). I'm sure Henny and the gang will take a look and review all their options.

 

 

That's your first problem, if that wasn't a joke.

[xtremenole 0]

In spite of the Fran debacle, this would give the Magic and other teams something to consider from picks 8-14

 

From Rotoworld

 

Dario Saric's draft position will reportedly determine whether or not he plays in the NBA for the 2014-15 season.

Saric reportedly has a big money offer to play in Europe, but will consider playing in the NBA next season if he is drafted as a lottery selection. The 6'10" 20-year-old currently plays for Cibona of the Croatian League and could find himself drafted in the Top 10 as teams look for upside once the elite prospects like Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Joel Embiid are off the board.

 

 

Exum and Saric would give us a lot of length and versatility.

[Jay Magic 1,251]

#4 – Orlando Magic:

The Magic are also very much open for business. They hold two lottery level draft picks, have a roster full of promising young talent and they have the creatively structured contract of Jameer Nelson ($8 million salary, $2 million guaranteed) and shooting guard Aaron Afflalo to dangle in would-be trades. The Magic may also have an ample amount of cap space in July to absorb a big contract if required.

The Magic have been linked to Golden State’s David Lee, although sources in Orlando down played that report as one of many things being presented their way. Take that to mean, it’s something they could do if they wanted to.

The Magic did not jump up in the draft, in fact they fell back a spot, but that fundamentally hasn’t changed what the Magic had planned for this draft which was to look at maybe 30 players in the draft pool. Five or six related to their top pick and at least 20 related to their 12th pick.

There is a sense the Magic would like to see Exum fall to them and that still remains a possibility, but at four they may have to settle for who else is there.

The Magic have been high on Wiggins and Parker all season, so if one of them is there at four the Magic likely grab them. The question becomes what about Embiid? If Embiid is there at four it likely means there are serious questions lingering about his back and would the Magic take the risk on Embiid given his potential?

The Magic have the luxury of a loaded roster and a promising big in Nikola Vucevic, so in theory they could draft Embiid, let him work through the medical parts of his rehab and develop him slowly. It all comes down to how bad is the injury?

Reports from Kansas during the Final Four pegged Embiid’s injury as a stress fracture which is called Spondylolysis, which is a small crack in the pars interarticularis portion of the lumbar spine. This injury usually heals normally with rest and rehab. The unknown in this equation is if the condition is really Spondylolisthesis, which is a recurring stress reaction, related to vertebra shifting forward and sitting on nerves. The surgical treatment for that is surgical fusion, which is a scary concept for NBA teams. It is believed this is the second time Embiid has had this injury, which is why there is so much debate and concern.

There is a sense that Embiid’s agent is playing this coy to steer him to the right team, however with such a huge unknown looming around his draft stock it’s hard to peg what’s real and what’s not.

Orlando could have the option of being the Embiid broker with the fourth pick, however if he is there it means three other teams passed on his back, because his potential as a player is off the charts.

There are a couple of dark horse candidates for the Magic with the fourth pick. If Wiggins, Parker and Exum are off the board the Magic may look at Marcus Smart and Noah Vonleh. Smart was a player the Magic thoroughly scouted last year; they are very familiar with his game and were high on a season ago. Vonleh may be more of a reach for the Magic who have similar size and position players on the roster already, but are said to be high on his character and his potential in the NBA.

The smart money says the Magic catch whoever falls to four. The Magic do have some assets to dangle to move up including the number 12 pick; however, sources close to the process don’t see that happening at this point.

The Magic expect to be busy with individual workouts all the way up to the draft and have been trying to schedule as many guys as they can, so they will be involved in a lot leading up to the draft.

 

via basketball insiders