2023 NBA Summer League Watch Thread

[MagicMan1979 105]

1 hour ago, TreyMachine said:

I'll agree I wish we had taken Sharpe in some way. Has all the upside to he exactly the type of guard we need, and he kept feeling like a strong option. Good call, junkie, but let's remember this is a MAGIC forum. Lol

There is a reason that Paolo went number one, won Rookie of The Year and was so highly recruited for Team USA.  Sharpe still wouldn’t go any higher than 4 in that draft and that is probably being kind.  

[ball junkie 277]

2 hours ago, TreyMachine said:

I'll agree I wish we had taken Sharpe in some way. Has all the upside to he exactly the type of guard we need, and he kept feeling like a strong option. Good call, junkie, but let's remember this is a MAGIC forum. Lol

Trey …I screenshot your post I was so impressed …and I wasn’t gonna say anything until AllEyes posted about him missing those dunks lol …now don’t get bent out of shape AllEyes it’s all good …but yeah not only is he my guy but I felt like he was the perfect fit …time will tell long way to go with that draft .

[ball junkie 277]

42 minutes ago, MagicMan1979 said:

There is a reason that Paolo went number one, won Rookie of The Year and was so highly recruited for Team USA.  Sharpe still wouldn’t go any higher than 4 in that draft and that is probably being kind.  

Shaedon Sharpe | Kentucky | Top 100 rank: No. 7

Why Sharpe might be better than the Big Three

No player currently projected in the draft's top three is as smooth with the ball in his hands as Sharpe. In a league that covets perimeter shot-creators more than ever, the 18-year-old Sharpe offers an element that Holmgren and Smith don't -- the ability to make pull-up 3s with range, create space out of isolations, and get all the way to the rim for explosive finishes. Smith does two out of the three but hasn't quite shown the ability to break down his man for consistent paint touches and rim attacks. We're still learning more about Holmgren as a primary creator. Banchero is a tremendous ball handler and creator at 6-10, 255 pounds, but Sharpe -- while playing a much different position -- is an even better shooter from beyond the arc with the ability to get his shot out of a variety of different moves.

Although not quite as powerful at 198 pounds, Sharpe has the skill set to eventually function like Anthony Edwards does for Minnesota as a three-level, pick-and-roll scorer who can also make enough reads to moonlight as the primary ball handler for stretches. Sharpe's passing potential is one of the things that stood out to me most during a Kentucky practice this season. With that said, there are real questions about whether or not Sharpe has the motor and aggression to consistently hunt the type of shots that Edwards -- never short on confidence -- does, as Sharpe is often compared to Andrew Wiggins in terms of his consistency and approach. But in terms of the potential as a pick-and-roll scorer with passing upside, Sharpe is in a class of his own….Jonathan Givony 

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33980075/the-four-players-break-2022-nba-draft-big-three

MagicMan79 …Givony would disagree …only reason he didn’t go higher was because scouts didn’t have enough data …you’ve been pretty positive about Sharpe as an aside .

[MagicFanDan 122]

Anybody know if the rooks are playing tonight? 

[Oveido Voodoo 6]

On 7/10/2023 at 1:42 PM, orlandoholic said:

Context is needed here.. Lebron played on a terrible team! 

Paolo on the other hand played on a decent team and had a rising star in Franz, great center in WCJ and a kinda deep roster once we were healthy. 

no knock on Paolo, but that’s a completely different situation as the Magic only had the first pick because they had really terrible health issues the season before. 
 

Again, Paolo is great. He had a great rookie season and he is a franchise player for sure.. But he did not change the NBA like Lebron did when he came into the league. 

we could also make a list on rookies who kinda changed the NBA when they were drafted.

Without research and without thinking about it too much i’d  say

- Shaq

- Penny

- Duncan

- Lebron

- Wembanyama (possibly)

 

those i saw myself.. I can’t really talk about rookie Olajuwon, Robinson, Bird, Jordan or others.. i was to young to have watched them shine as rookies

Hmmm... I get Shaq as #1...I remember when he tore the backboard down...and um...we are gonna need bigger goal post structure...the league had to develop new "Hack a Shaq" rules...I know he hates that name... but the league literally adopted new rules because of him...and all of the NBA had to "reinforce" code word for buy brand new heavy duty backboards... 

Also Scott Skiles for passing the ball to Shaq and always getting an assist...lol... seriously... a lot of guys wouldn't have been humble enough to just pass Shaq the ball... although I would have liked to see him get Shaq a 100 point game or two ...I know they could have pulled it off...

 

But no Jordan? If you didn't see him play... it was magnificent... everybody else looked like they were in slow motion... and everybody tried to copy his game for years after...and still even now...

   Also the Barkley back down... the association made new rules to stop Barkley from dominating larger centers by going low on them...

James Harden and his lean in and rake through moves... for drawing fouls on players out at the 3 point line... I mean if we are talking about changing the game... the refs had to change the rules... even though James was initiating the contract for a while there he would always get the call...

 

I suppose Steph and Klay as a team now have the entire NBA jacking up 3s...

 

LBJ ... invented the Krab walk...lol... and now all of the 6 foot 8 players in the league are allowed to take at least 4 steps without a travel call...I actually like the guy... and admire how long he has competed at such a high level... but if we look back at how the game changed because of him... all of the big guys migrating all over the court is what comes to my mind...before him if a big went to dribbling or probing the court a carry or travel call was imminent...now everyone takes a little extra hop here and there...

Oh... how bout Ron Artest!!!! He used to get into fist fights with the fans... now the league has strict fan ejection policies and every player has private bodyguards... and for sure he paved the way for Jah Morant's and earlier Agent Zero's gun antics...

Dr. J... and his sky hook... lots of people tried to copy it... it turns out that it is more of a skill than anyone ever wanted to admit... it's really strange that no one else ever really used it as their go to... because it is absolutely unguardable against even significantly taller players... 

 

And my most favoritest of them all... to weed out the new school Magic fans from the old ones....

Terry Catlidge... the "Cat-Man" himself and the year the expansion team from Orlando almost made the playoffs on the back of his patented quadruple pump fakes...dude should have been a star... and for a couple years other guys tried to copy it... without success... I often wonder what happened to the old Catman...

 

 

P.S. 

Mods... don't hate on me... I know this is a summer league thread... I just couldn't resist...and besides you could have closed it down long before I saw this...

Oh yeah... Anthony Black... Jett Howard... and...um... Kai Sotto...

 

Please believe me I'm not trolling you guys!

[Oveido Voodoo 6]

2 hours ago, MagicFanDan said:

Anybody know if the rooks are playing tonight? 

I didn't read anything about closing them down... why wouldn't they play? 

I watched Wemby play both of his games... dudes were serious going at him... like post season 1988 no dunking in my house... no blood no foul stuff... I understand the Spurs closing him down over a pointless summer game against a bunch of guys who want to prove they are tough against him... the kid was on the floor a lot in both games...

What's to gain?

[jmmagicfan 302]

55 minutes ago, Oveido Voodoo said:

Hmmm... I get Shaq as #1...I remember when he tore the backboard down...and um...we are gonna need bigger goal post structure...the league had to develop new "Hack a Shaq" rules...I know he hates that name... but the league literally adopted new rules because of him...and all of the NBA had to "reinforce" code word for buy brand new heavy duty backboards... 

Also Scott Skiles for passing the ball to Shaq and always getting an assist...lol... seriously... a lot of guys wouldn't have been humble enough to just pass Shaq the ball... although I would have liked to see him get Shaq a 100 point game or two ...I know they could have pulled it off...

 

But no Jordan? If you didn't see him play... it was magnificent... everybody else looked like they were in slow motion... and everybody tried to copy his game for years after...and still even now...

   Also the Barkley back down... the association made new rules to stop Barkley from dominating larger centers by going low on them...

James Harden and his lean in and rake through moves... for drawing fouls on players out at the 3 point line... I mean if we are talking about changing the game... the refs had to change the rules... even though James was initiating the contract for a while there he would always get the call...

 

I suppose Steph and Klay as a team now have the entire NBA jacking up 3s...

 

LBJ ... invented the Krab walk...lol... and now all of the 6 foot 8 players in the league are allowed to take at least 4 steps without a travel call...I actually like the guy... and admire how long he has competed at such a high level... but if we look back at how the game changed because of him... all of the big guys migrating all over the court is what comes to my mind...before him if a big went to dribbling or probing the court a carry or travel call was imminent...now everyone takes a little extra hop here and there...

Oh... how bout Ron Artest!!!! He used to get into fist fights with the fans... now the league has strict fan ejection policies and every player has private bodyguards... and for sure he paved the way for Jah Morant's and earlier Agent Zero's gun antics...

Dr. J... and his sky hook... lots of people tried to copy it... it turns out that it is more of a skill than anyone ever wanted to admit... it's really strange that no one else ever really used it as their go to... because it is absolutely unguardable against even significantly taller players... 

 

And my most favoritest of them all... to weed out the new school Magic fans from the old ones....

Terry Catlidge... the "Cat-Man" himself and the year the expansion team from Orlando almost made the playoffs on the back of his patented quadruple pump fakes...dude should have been a star... and for a couple years other guys tried to copy it... without success... I often wonder what happened to the old Catman...

 

 

P.S. 

Mods... don't hate on me... I know this is a summer league thread... I just couldn't resist...and besides you could have closed it down long before I saw this...

Oh yeah... Anthony Black... Jett Howard... and...um... Kai Sotto...

 

Please believe me I'm not trolling you guys!

The Sky hook was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, not Dr J

[Oveido Voodoo 6]

22 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said:

The Sky hook was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, not Dr J

Hmm now you know how old I am... or am not...and not a Lakers fan either... you know Dr J... Abdul Jabbar...

[MagicFanDan 122]

Rooks are playing but Harris and Caleb  aren’t. 
 

So, I’d like to see the rooks be more aggressive offensively 

[Jay Magic 1,248]

 

[Shine88 80]

Black and Jett play ball the right way, these other guys, though? Horrible.

[Oveido Voodoo 6]

1 hour ago, MagicFanDan said:

Rooks are playing but Harris and Caleb  aren’t. 
 

So, I’d like to see the rooks be more aggressive offensively 

I'm impressed with ABs rebounding and hustle motor!

And how bout the Wilson entry pass on the seal move in the 1st!!!  Tiger is ballin too!

 

Those 2 are out there fighting.