The Dwight Howard Drama Unfolds

[Noreaga30 15]

I wanted dwight traded for the best deal but if we cant get a good deal then lets just let him walk at the end of the season. honestly I hate the rebuilding process.

[barnettej 263]

This. If there was ever a case for blacklisting an agent, this is it. I really think the Magic should pursue tampering or at least get the NBA involved in a clear conflict-of-interest.

 

I have been wondering this whole time why they havent..... Honestly, if this was some of the companies I work with, they would of went after Dan HWNSNBU for anything and everything.... they wouldnt stop until he is broke. They are just that persistent.

 

But like with all crooks who seem to get away with things, Karma is always there to balance it out.

[Soul Bro 1,419]

Without a doubt. I've made that threat before :shard:

 

Sometimes a fan has to take a stand. Turns out, our GM shared our perspective. Dwight's agent was simply spewing HWNSNBU to the media.

[Catman 380]

If you keep Dwight you deal with the potential of the biggest diva in the NBA ruining the new team concept in year 1. He is not buying into the team over ME mantra. He is probably one of the most selfish players in the league.

 

Right now keeping Dwight means that we are a 7 or 8 seed since we will probably not be able to upgrade our wings via trade. We will be better under the basket with all the depth, but look at the signs here.

 

The Magic acquired only 1 skill position this summer : Bigs. That is it. This is on a team sorely lacking wing talent. That should tell you something.

 

As much as I can not argue keeping dwight and then letting him go is not a bad idea, it is not a great one either. Quite frankly the guy is a complete toxic person. He has angered about everyone in the front office and literally acts like a 6 year old. He used Otis and ran to him all the time to backstab his teammates. Ill say it again, Vince Carter hated him so much that he asked to be traded.

 

Now the average message board guy will say "who cares - Vince sucked", and that is the problem. People look at these guys as cattle sometimes and forget how much the human factor plays into a team winning games. If you keep Dwight you are keeping a guy who has proven to everyone that he is not a leader, but is a big enough presence to loom over the locker and keep everyone on edge. Basically if you keep this guy, you are betting that his behavior will change completely and he will become a team player.

 

As much as D12 wants to tell YBR how bad the Magic are to him, he neglects to tell him about the PR department that has somehow maintained his image even though he has multiple kids, sexts nudes, has pursued multiple porn stars, treated all his teammates like crap and disrespected his head coaches, all while acting under the guise of Christianity.

 

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

[Soul Bro 1,419]

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

No, I do not

[the notorious S.A.C. 89]

1. Fine. Take a max contract Brook Lopez instead lol.

 

2. Three-team trade with Cleveland or Houston. Their picks and prospects vary but you can dumb one bad contract on the Lakers and at least one on Cleveland/Houston.

 

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but beggars can't be choosers here. I'm not exactly sure what realistic deal you guys are hoping to get for Howard at this point.

 

If it wasn't for David stern brokering back room deals the Lakers would be about 2 years behind us in total rebuild. I would have serious serious reservations about your future with Kobe, Nash and gasol being the next version of the celtics geezers. If Bynum went down, and both you and I know he will, from having to hustle forty minutes a game to carry the load with your old men the lakers would be hamstrung like some team I remember with grant hill. Dwight puts the lakers over the top and sets your future to seamlessly transition to a new dominance. I think the lakers have everything to lose and should do everything in their power to avoid a catastrophe that bynums knees will surely make happen. Quite frankly I think the lakers are toast if you don't get him.

[Shemp 4]

As much as D12 wants to tell YBR how bad the Magic are to him, he neglects to tell him about the PR department that has somehow maintained his image even though he has multiple kids, sexts nudes, has pursued multiple porn stars, treated all his teammates like crap and disrespected his head coaches, all while acting under the guise of Christianity.

 

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

 

I agree wholeheartedly with this.A Wolf in sheeps clothing is what Dwight is.

 

He got that cheerleader pregnant and wanted to sweep her and the baby under the rug as if they did not exist.

 

But anyway back to basketball,Trade Dwight soon so Vaughn can have a cancerous free locker room.

[pogiro 5]

If you keep Dwight you deal with the potential of the biggest diva in the NBA ruining the new team concept in year 1. He is not buying into the team over ME mantra. He is probably one of the most selfish players in the league.

 

Right now keeping Dwight means that we are a 7 or 8 seed since we will probably not be able to upgrade our wings via trade. We will be better under the basket with all the depth, but look at the signs here.

 

The Magic acquired only 1 skill position this summer : Bigs. That is it. This is on a team sorely lacking wing talent. That should tell you something.

 

As much as I can not argue keeping dwight and then letting him go is not a bad idea, it is not a great one either. Quite frankly the guy is a complete toxic person. He has angered about everyone in the front office and literally acts like a 6 year old. He used Otis and ran to him all the time to backstab his teammates. Ill say it again, Vince Carter hated him so much that he asked to be traded.

 

Now the average message board guy will say "who cares - Vince sucked", and that is the problem. People look at these guys as cattle sometimes and forget how much the human factor plays into a team winning games. If you keep Dwight you are keeping a guy who has proven to everyone that he is not a leader, but is a big enough presence to loom over the locker and keep everyone on edge. Basically if you keep this guy, you are betting that his behavior will change completely and he will become a team player.

 

As much as D12 wants to tell YBR how bad the Magic are to him, he neglects to tell him about the PR department that has somehow maintained his image even though he has multiple kids, sexts nudes, has pursued multiple porn stars, treated all his teammates like crap and disrespected his head coaches, all while acting under the guise of Christianity.

 

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

 

I want the Magic to keep Dwight for the Magic's sake, and not because of who Dwight is. Ever since maybe 2008, I've been questionable about Dwight's character. But all the charater flaws you bring up can be said about a lot of NBA stars. Yet we still cheered for him. So I'm not going to act like I won't be able to cheer for him again if he stays. I don't really see him much different than before. And him staying would erase whatever changed in my mind about him.

 

I just don't look to NBA players to be the upstanding citizens that they sometimes try to play they are. And when they're not, I don't hold it against them, I just respect the ones that do things right in a higher regard. That's why I've been a pretty big fan of Jameer over his career. But even Jameer, I don't know everything, so wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out to have a questionable personal life too. That's just because of trends you see in professional athletes.

 

The reason I want the Magic to keep Dwight is because I want the Magic to be the team that breaks the trend of these SuperFriends teams forming in the NBA. I want the Magic to have some courage, play hardball with their superstar. Courage is the big factor for me, because I can respect what the Magic are doing. And if they want to trade Dwight for a decent return, I can respect that too. Now something I can't respect, is the idea of needing something in return, thinking we can't just lose him for nothing. The idea that we lost Shaq for nothing, so we gotta trade Dwight, no matter how crappy the deal. Lets say the Nets deal is the deal that gets done. I'm going to have a hard time being as intrested in the Magic as I've been ever since I've been a fan. Because then we take a very shaky return, something that doesn't necessarily put us in a better position for success. And we give our diva superstar what he wanted.

 

And in the event that the Magic are able to keep him long-term, and he's still acting up? Trade him. A re-signed Dwight will have a hell lot more value than he does now. So the prospect of having to deal with this diva personality doesn't really worry me. The fact of the matter is, even if we tank, and we get numerous top 5 picks, the likelihood that any of those players end up at Dwight's level is very slim. If we were talking about Blake Griffin or Carmelo Anthony, to me those guys are replaceable. And in my opinion, Dwight's been the 2nd or 3rd most valuable commodity since he got into the league behind Kobe and LeBron. If there's a chance you keep him, then you try your damndest to do so. And you especially don't let things like personality flaws have too much of an effect in your decisions. Because the NBA is driven by superstars, and it's rare to find any NBA greats that don't have red flags in their personal life.

[30Assists 342]

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

Until about two months ago, I would have said yes. But now? No. No way. If we can't trade him to Houston, I would rather send him to the D-League than have him step on the floor in a Magic jersey.

[otis_smith 15]

I want the Magic to keep Dwight for the Magic's sake, and not because of who Dwight is. Ever since maybe 2008, I've been questionable about Dwight's character. But all the charater flaws you bring up can be said about a lot of NBA stars. Yet we still cheered for him. So I'm not going to act like I won't be able to cheer for him again if he stays. I don't really see him much different than before. And him staying would erase whatever changed in my mind about him.

 

I just don't look to NBA players to be the upstanding citizens that they sometimes try to play they are. And when they're not, I don't hold it against them, I just respect the ones that do things right in a higher regard. That's why I've been a pretty big fan of Jameer over his career. But even Jameer, I don't know everything, so wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out to have a questionable personal life too. That's just because of trends you see in professional athletes.

 

The reason I want the Magic to keep Dwight is because I want the Magic to be the team that breaks the trend of these SuperFriends teams forming in the NBA. I want the Magic to have some courage, play hardball with their superstar. Courage is the big factor for me, because I can respect what the Magic are doing. And if they want to trade Dwight for a decent return, I can respect that too. Now something I can't respect, is the idea of needing something in return, thinking we can't just lose him for nothing. The idea that we lost Shaq for nothing, so we gotta trade Dwight, no matter how crappy the deal. Lets say the Nets deal is the deal that gets done. I'm going to have a hard time being as intrested in the Magic as I've been ever since I've been a fan. Because then we take a very shaky return, something that doesn't necessarily put us in a better position for success. And we give our diva superstar what he wanted.

 

And in the event that the Magic are able to keep him long-term, and he's still acting up? Trade him. A re-signed Dwight will have a hell lot more value than he does now. So the prospect of having to deal with this diva personality doesn't really worry me. The fact of the matter is, even if we tank, and we get numerous top 5 picks, the likelihood that any of those players end up at Dwight's level is very slim. If we were talking about Blake Griffin or Carmelo Anthony, to me those guys are replaceable. And in my opinion, Dwight's been the 2nd or 3rd most valuable commodity since he got into the league behind Kobe and LeBron. If there's a chance you keep him, then you try your damndest to do so.

 

I'm not sure you are aware of the new sign and trade rules in the new CBA. We can't sign and trade Dwight for more years or more money than he could get on the open market.....

[Nyce_1 311]

If you keep Dwight you deal with the potential of the biggest diva in the NBA ruining the new team concept in year 1. He is not buying into the team over ME mantra. He is probably one of the most selfish players in the league.

 

Right now keeping Dwight means that we are a 7 or 8 seed since we will probably not be able to upgrade our wings via trade. We will be better under the basket with all the depth, but look at the signs here.

 

The Magic acquired only 1 skill position this summer : Bigs. That is it. This is on a team sorely lacking wing talent. That should tell you something.

 

As much as I can not argue keeping dwight and then letting him go is not a bad idea, it is not a great one either. Quite frankly the guy is a complete toxic person. He has angered about everyone in the front office and literally acts like a 6 year old. He used Otis and ran to him all the time to backstab his teammates. Ill say it again, Vince Carter hated him so much that he asked to be traded.

 

Now the average message board guy will say "who cares - Vince sucked", and that is the problem. People look at these guys as cattle sometimes and forget how much the human factor plays into a team winning games. If you keep Dwight you are keeping a guy who has proven to everyone that he is not a leader, but is a big enough presence to loom over the locker and keep everyone on edge. Basically if you keep this guy, you are betting that his behavior will change completely and he will become a team player.

 

As much as D12 wants to tell YBR how bad the Magic are to him, he neglects to tell him about the PR department that has somehow maintained his image even though he has multiple kids, sexts nudes, has pursued multiple porn stars, treated all his teammates like crap and disrespected his head coaches, all while acting under the guise of Christianity.

 

Do you really want to have a guy like this come back in hopes to convince him to stay?

don't hold anything back ;)

[pogiro 5]

I'm not sure you are aware of the new sign and trade rules in the new CBA. We can't sign and trade Dwight for more years or more money than he could get on the open market.....

 

Not talking about sign and trade. I'm talking signing him to keep him. I was talking about if he's still a diva after he signs long term, and in that case if he's unbearable you trade him.