Redick offered 3 years $20m from bulls

[Darrell_Armstrong 5]

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Originally posted by PEC:

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Originally posted by Darrell_Armstrong:

Rev or Soulbro, I have a question for you. With the proposed deal earlier of Gortat and pieces for Iggy and Thad, which apparently Philly was not hot on for the inclusion of Young, would they be more amenable if JJ was signed and traded?

 

I know Philly has been looking for a shooter for some time and Kapono never really worked out since losing Korver. I'm just thinking if we can swing that deal by including JJ and the Jefferson/Brewer deal for VC, I'd be very satisfied with a SG position of Iggy/Brewer. Not to mention Thad gives us depth at the 3.

 

This was already brought up, but to repeat once Redick signs the offer sheet the Magic cannot sign and trade him.

 

Ah, my bad. Well, I just hope we keep JJ and move Vince then.

[PNuT1423 0]

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Originally posted by bravlady:

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

According to what I read it is a front loaded deal. Take the hit in the first year and move on.

 

I've read that term "front loaded" a lot this week. What exactly does that mean?

 

 

soo..many...jokes..must...resist...this....

 

i can't find a front loaded lolcat for the life of me.

[Shine88 89]

I say we match the Bulls offer for Redick, and then trade Brandon Bass to the Clippers for a 2011 2nd round pick, plus a $4 million TPE. We could then sign Jeff Adrien for the mininum to replace Bass.

[KandiKane 136]

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Originally posted by PEC:

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

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Originally posted by M4G1C:

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

*buries his head in his hands*

 

My heart says match, my head says let him go, or sign and trade.. or in this case, match and trade...

 

If we lose both Redick AND Barnes without replacing them, this offseason is a failure. I'm just sayin'.

 

I hear you, Redick's grit made me a huge fan of his. But physical limitations are insurmountable and he is now a better trade piece than the type of defensive guard we need (specially if we cant move VC).

 

"The Pacers have several top players with expiring contracts, such as Troy Murphy ($11.97 million), Mike Dunleavy ($10.56 million), T.J. Ford ($8.78 mlllion) and also have Jamaal Tinsley ($7.5 million) still on the books. Without giving names, Bird said it's possible the Pacers, instead of waiting to use their cap room on free agents and risk being left without impact signees, might make a deal by acquiring a player or players with multiple years left on their deals."

 

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/0...s-about-free-agents/

 

 

Redick $7M and Brandon Bass $4M = Troy Murphy $11M

 

 

J Nelson/C Duhon/_____

M Barnes*/V Carter

R Lewis/ M Pietrus

T Murphy/R Anderson

D Howard/M Gortat/_____

 

*if we can sign him - and yes he can and has played sg

 

why would barnes start over vince? and why would we go after troy murphy?

 

Barnes would start over Vince because of defense and because he requires less shots. Acquiring Murphy would allow Shard to move to the three and we would still be able to spread the floor with a starting quality PF. Murphy is also a great rebounder and that has been a liability at PF. One of the defensive advantages we had w/ Hedo was the ability to play 3 near 7' (as does LA) on the frontline. You add Barnes defense and size and we are a huge team with good to very good rebounders at 3 positions (g/pf/c) and length at the sf. Moving VC to the second unit gives us a legitimate 6th man weapon and gives us offense of will be a very off. challenged second unit. In addition VC will feast on second units.

 

One more time. When Redick signs the Offer Sheet the Magic cannot sign and trade him.

 

I don't know why some people just refuse to read. It's not going to happen, because it can't happen.

 

Unless you are planning on doing it next year. By that year Redick will be earning 5 million.

 

Because most people on here do not read! they just spew shiit....

[KandiKane 136]

EZZZZP,

 

Are you drunk, stoned or dumb??

 

In what world would Barnes start over Carter??

 

Man you just spewed some shiit there

[magicLA 57]

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Originally posted by PEC:

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

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Originally posted by M4G1C:

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

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Originally posted by Skywise316:

*buries his head in his hands*

 

My heart says match, my head says let him go, or sign and trade.. or in this case, match and trade...

 

If we lose both Redick AND Barnes without replacing them, this offseason is a failure. I'm just sayin'.

 

I hear you, Redick's grit made me a huge fan of his. But physical limitations are insurmountable and he is now a better trade piece than the type of defensive guard we need (specially if we cant move VC).

 

"The Pacers have several top players with expiring contracts, such as Troy Murphy ($11.97 million), Mike Dunleavy ($10.56 million), T.J. Ford ($8.78 mlllion) and also have Jamaal Tinsley ($7.5 million) still on the books. Without giving names, Bird said it's possible the Pacers, instead of waiting to use their cap room on free agents and risk being left without impact signees, might make a deal by acquiring a player or players with multiple years left on their deals."

 

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/0...s-about-free-agents/

 

 

Redick $7M and Brandon Bass $4M = Troy Murphy $11M

 

 

J Nelson/C Duhon/_____

M Barnes*/V Carter

R Lewis/ M Pietrus

T Murphy/R Anderson

D Howard/M Gortat/_____

 

*if we can sign him - and yes he can and has played sg

 

why would barnes start over vince? and why would we go after troy murphy?

 

Barnes would start over Vince because of defense and because he requires less shots. Acquiring Murphy would allow Shard to move to the three and we would still be able to spread the floor with a starting quality PF. Murphy is also a great rebounder and that has been a liability at PF. One of the defensive advantages we had w/ Hedo was the ability to play 3 near 7' (as does LA) on the frontline. You add Barnes defense and size and we are a huge team with good to very good rebounders at 3 positions (g/pf/c) and length at the sf. Moving VC to the second unit gives us a legitimate 6th man weapon and gives us offense of will be a very off. challenged second unit. In addition VC will feast on second units.

 

One more time. When Redick signs the Offer Sheet the Magic cannot sign and trade him.

 

I don't know why some people just refuse to read. It's not going to happen, because it can't happen.

 

Unless you are planning on doing it next year. By that year Redick will be earning 5 million.

 

I didn't see that - so when you match it works the same way as a trade - same no re-trade moratorium period?

 

If so, well that changes everything. There is no way Otis should match then. The last thing this team needs now is an at best passable defender. I love his hustle and intangibles but there is no way we can go into the post season with Redick as our starting Guard and that notion will be used as leverage against us in any trade for VC. If we are going to throw that kind of money out for the shooter role, I would throw it Mike Miller who has more size and would take a weapon away from Miami. This is not the same as matching Gortat because Dwight is our center for at least 2 more years and because of Dwight's foul troubles. There is no way Redick is our starting guard of the future - sorry I think his game has grown and all but that is a position that has to be filled by a go to scorer or a defensive specialist...and as much as I want him to be that he is not.

 

and for those that point out reports that Otis said he will match well what else is he gonna say? why would he give away leverage?

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

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Originally posted by bravlady:

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

According to what I read it is a front loaded deal. Take the hit in the first year and move on.

 

I've read that term "front loaded" a lot this week. What exactly does that mean?

 

It means it's heavier on the front than on the back, the same as front-loaded means when it's used to describe anything.

 

More money the first year, less money at the end of the contract.

 

I forget, what percentage does it have to be within each year? Isn't it something like 15%?

[Berto 338]

It's because I bought a JJ Redick jersey isn't it? ISN'T IT?

[lavell12 0]

The problem right now is that at best we are going to have as good as roster as last year, there are no plans to improve the team. Just resigning the same team while other teams continue to improve.

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

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Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:

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Originally posted by bravlady:

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

According to what I read it is a front loaded deal. Take the hit in the first year and move on.

 

I've read that term "front loaded" a lot this week. What exactly does that mean?

 

It means it's heavier on the front than on the back, the same as front-loaded means when it's used to describe anything.

 

More money the first year, less money at the end of the contract.

 

I forget, what percentage does it have to be within each year? Isn't it something like 15%?

 

There's a rule for maximum raises per year. I don't know if there even IS a maximum decrease per year. I can't imagine there is.

[magicLA 57]

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Originally posted by lavell12:

The problem right now is that at best we are going to have as good as roster as last year, there are no plans to improve the team. Just resigning the same team while other teams continue to improve.

 

how do you know this? you have insider knowledge of what's going on in otis' office? please share

[Skywise316 211]

I have more confidence after that Otis article.. if he wasn't planning on matching, there's no way he'd say that he anticipated matching him. That's just.. not Otis.

 

Plus Stan has a man crush on Redick at this point.. and like PEC said, replacing Redick/Barnes with decent wings guys would NOT be easy. We have 2.4 mil or so left on our MLE, the BAE, and minimum contracts to do it with.

 

Mostly because I think VC and his expiring contract are goners by the deadline anyway.. I think it's at least 70% that Otis matches.