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Live by the three, die by the three. Live by Hedo in the 4th, die by Hedo in the 4th. Over the past couple years, we lived a lot more than we died. Thanks Hedo, congratulations on the new contract, and the recent addition to your family! May you do a lot more living in the 4th (except against Orlando, of course)!

quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory:I wonder what the contract is for? I'm assuming nothing that will have to involve us. I think this will really depend a lot on what the salary cap comes in at. If it is on the low side of the projected $57-59M, then Portland may have to do a S&T with us to give Hedo the starting salary they have promised him, which means we would get a player and a TE. If it comes in closer to the $59M then they can probably sign him outright. I don't expect they will give up Outlaw, Fernandez or Blake; our best hopes are probably Batum or Bayless.

quote: Originally posted by Maestro: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Drunk on Mystery:If Otis is smart, he'll be working up, down and sideways to work this into an S&T, even if it's for one scrub and a TE. After all, a 6m TE makes the whole "We can't S&T for Bass because of BYC rules" go away completely. Yeah your right good catch. At least get a draft pick and a TE. I still think they will get rid of Batum or Outlaw or Fernandez. No way can they keep them all and for them to be happy with minutes. Man, if we could swing a trade for any of those players I would run outside naked for two minutes. What are you trying to do, discourage us?!?

quote: Originally posted by DontPushMe:S&T for DeRozan perfect guy to learn behind VC for a couple of years... im a sucker for high upside and imo he along with Tyreke Evans and Blake Griffen are the only guys with star potential in that draft ok now back to reality, maybe Bargnani? Hed fit our system well i think not sure who else they have that would work in an sign and trade with us Our best hope would be if Toronto bids the value up to the point that Portland has to do a sign and trade, so that we might be able to get Batum, or Outlaw, or Blake.

quote: Originally posted by Nyce_1:5/$35 is terrible and we probably wouldn't match that. That's $7M/yr and the MLE is expected to be $5.5M. That is the mid-level exeption as the starting salary, because it builds in the yearly raises, which is why the average comes out to $7M.

Personally, I prefer - the Dice man cometh. I would rather have McDyess, as he is a better rebounder and he actually plays every game. We all know Sheed is a bit of a head case, and takes quarters, and sometimes whole games off mentally.

quote: Originally posted by MagicFanBen:One thing I think a lot of people seem to forget about this being too pricing for a back up 5 if that is indeed what Otis sees Gortat as. The thing you forget is what he paid an over the hill Battie. Almost the same thing as what Gortat will be getting. If he signs a 5 year $35 million deal with no player options it is a great deal for the Magic to pick up. Except Battie was actually our starting PF prior to the signing of Lewis. Battie played both PF/C because he had a decent 12-15 foot jump shot, which Gortat doesn't have yet. You only match if you are planning on keeping him for the full season, as you can't get full value in a trade because of BYC rules.

quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:Dooling's TPE was used to acquire Ryan Anderson... Only a portion of it, the trade exemption was for $3.3M, so there is still about $2M left.

In other words, a S&T of Gortat for a S&T for Bass probably ain't gonna happen because of the BYC rules. However, forcing Dallas to give up a player for some or all of Dooling's exemption in exchange for us not matching the offer to Gortat is possible, as is pursuing Bass with a portion of the MLE. Since he is not a restricted free agent, Dallas does not have an option to match.

They are both free agents and won't be on our roster unless we give them new contracts. They are only listed for determining salary cap room. As they are both on vet min contracts, there isn't any point of giving up their re-signing rights, because the "empty" roster spaces are counted as vet min contracts anyway. We would not have salary cap room either way, so we would only have the MLE available either way. Does anyone know if we have the bi-annual small exemption this year?

PS I don't think they would trade Barea unless they are 100% sure that Kidd is coming back, so we probably can forget that.

quote: Originally posted by PEC: quote: Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16: quote: Originally posted by rtillaree:there is no way this can happen though without a 3rd team willing to take salary dump players from both sides...BYC is a killer yall... Who do they have that is a perimeter guy or a back up pg that we could use? Maybe it's a 2 for 1 How about Jose Juan Barea he is a pg and considered great as a backup pg and slightly taller then Nelson at 6'. I might be wrong, but I believe that if you sign a free agent, you are not allowed to trade him in conjunction with another player, but only by himself - therefore, the Gortat/Bass as a sign and trade only works if the salaries match-up within a certain percentage (10%?). The only way around that would be if the "other" player is "traded" for all or a portion of the Dooling trade exemption, which would be fine as it is due to expire soon if it isn't used. I think that the full MLE, or even 90% of it might be over-paying for Bass, so I don't know if Otis would do it. You might be able to work a trade for Green for part of the exemption if you promise to not match for Gortat, and then sign Bass yourself for a portion of the MLE.

quote: Originally posted by mongoose: quote: LOL...Replacing Billups & Sheed w/Gordon & Charlie V. is like drafting Darko over Melo all over again. I'll take Gordon over anybody that's been on the Pistons in the last 8 years I would take any of the following (in their prime) over Gordon any day of the week, and twice on Sunday: Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and possibly Stuckey. Gordon is an undersized, streaky SG who isn't consistent; except in his lack of effort on the defensive end.

Sorry, that doesn't line up too well, so let's highlight it. 19.9 minutes/game 7.4 points 4.7 rebounds (1.6 offensive) FG% .393 3FG% .365 FT% .845

It amazes me how many people are forgetting Ryan Anderson. Just a quick little FYI, he is 6"10", 240 pounds and these are last years stats. 2008-09 Statistics FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc G MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT STL BLK TO PF AST PTS Season 66 19.9 160-407 .393 69-189 .365 98-116 .845 1.6 3.1 4.7 .67 .30 .95 2.38 0.8 7.4

quote: Originally posted by magicfan83:OK, this whole line of reasoning is really dumb. Cleveland purposely stuck West (instead of Lebron) on Hedo because Hedo has no post game and doesn't use his size to his advantage. Turk shot 39% for the series, and did most of his damage on the pick and roll, needing the pick to gain separation for West. Then Cleveland stuck Lebron on Alston, so Lebron could roam as a help defender and give Rafer the open shot. Well, now they have to stick Mo Williams on Nelson (good luck), West on Carter (Carter will still get the step on pick and rolls), and Lebron on Rashard. Lebron on Rashard is scary at first, but Lebron will HAVE to stay at home and that takes away their best help defender and ONLY shot blocker. If we get Wallace, he will cream Joe Smith/Varejao/Villanueva in the post and still stretch the floor when Dwight has the ball. Dwight will face up Shaq and use his quickness to get around him. +1 Even if we don't get Wallace, LeBron would have to stay at home on Pietrus and Shard can still draw the PF out. If we get Bass or McDyess, I still like the way we match up, since they both have a decent mid-range game.

quote: Originally posted by Blackhennie:give me bass so we don't have to worry about it again after a year or two... Plus bass has a upside that can payoff later for our investment... He is 24... Dynasty baby... Bass played C and pf all year last year in the west... Question: how many mins will howard be off the floor? Is it worth loosing a bass now... Young bigs like this don't come to often at such a discount... opportunity knocks... The more I see and read about Bass, the more impressed I am by him and the more I am inclined to say go for it. I would take Bass and Dyce in a heartbeat and let them "tag team" for the 10-13 minutes that Dwight is out. For that matter, you do still have Foyle to play a couple of those minutes if you needed. If you could turn Hedo into a sign and trade for Outlaw/Blake you would have a scary team. Nelson/Blake/Johnson Carter/Pietrus/Reddick Lewis/Outlaw/Pietrus Bass/Lewis/McDyess Howard/McDyess/Foyle Oops, I forgot we have another young big - Ryan Anderson. Wow!!!!

quote: Originally posted by Blackhennie:Another article PF Brandon Bass, Unrestricted Bass, who makes only $826,269, averaged 8.5 PPG and 4.5 rebounds in only 19 minutes of play per game this season. With the Mavericks first priority in resigning Jason Kidd, Bass is fair game. Bass, listed as 6'8" 250 pounds, is a ferocious rebounder

one more restricted Channing Frye - decent fit at the PF with Dwight, young player, and another advantage; if we offer most of the MLE and Portland matches, they probably won't be able to make a run at Hedo.

Thats the question. Now there are too many chiefs not enough indians. I actually am very positive about the same page, if only because Meer, Sheed and D12 are already on there. I think the fact that they have been to the finals, and VC hasn't will be a critical point on getting him onto that page quickly.

Thats the question. Now there are too many chiefs not enough indians. Not necessarily, as Meer, Shard and Dwight already have the chemistry; it is just making sure VC is on that page. Personally, I think the fact that they have been to the finals and he hasn't will help with getting him on that page.

Now, back to the original question, whose door do you knock on, and whose do you leave alone. David Lee - restricted free agent, so would tie up money until NY decides to match or not, but potentially the best free agent PF to play with Dwight long term. Possibly part of a sign & trade? Gortat - probably too good to only play 8-12 minutes a game; but can't play at the same time as Dwight - so at best you try for a sign & trade. Sheed - potentially the best fit, but will he come without a guarantee of starting? Age could be a concern. Offer of 3 years max. McDyess - next best fit, but same disclaimers of starting/age. Offer of 2 years max.

quote: Originally posted by DontPushMe:i really hope they have Bass ahead of Sheed. im worried that sheed has nothing left I hope not, unless you are specifically looking for bench help. I don't think you can play Bass at the PF with Dwight at the 5; he doesn't have a good enough mid-range, or 3-point range to open up the middle for Dwight.

quote: Originally posted by Catman:The chemistry argument is nice, but don't tell the Celtics that. They basically changed their entire team and immediately won rings. The Celtics chemistry was largely due to their big three knowing that none of them could do it alone, and never having been to finals before. They almost immediately all made the commitment to make it work. If VC, Meer, Shard, and D12 make a similar commitment, then I can see the trophy in Orlando; but they need to all be on the same page.

I like Hedo Turkoglu, as there are not a lot of 6'10" SF who shot the 3, and handle the ball as well as he does. He has been one of the top 4th quarter scorers in the league the last couple of years. However, he doesn't have the quickest first step/move to the basket. Part of the reason he is a big 4th quarter scorer is he really doesn't give it up much in the 4th. The Magic would not have made it to the finals without him. I would have been ecstatic if he had re-signed for 4 years, $36M. I would even be happy with a 4 year, $42M deal, but I don't know if that would get him re-signed. I still hope we can get him back, but I think Otis had doubts based on his agent's reaction to the initial offer. To then get the VC deal done as a "Plan B" shows fantastic dedication to the Magic team. Will I miss CLee, absolutely. Would I have liked to see us tweek our team instead of a partial overhaul, yes. Do I think that this move, picking up VC and Ryan Anderson could be a step towards a championship? I would have to say, potentially yes. In Anderson you are getting a young PF who can shoot the 15 foot jump shot, the 3, and yet still be a rebounding presence. In VC, you are getting an all-star who can give you both the 3 and the drive. Both VC and Turk are good, spot defenders. Turk did a good job in spots guarding LeBron and Kobe; but doesn't always put the effort in to D. I would say the same is true about VC. Will we miss CLee's defense? I am afraid so, but I think that this is a good move, even if Turk doesn't re-sign.