VaBchMagicFan

I said that going after T-Mac could have helped this team, the guy hasn't played in a year and a half and looks more explosive than VC does right now. The guy said he was healthy and its obvious he is and I think Otis will regret not trying to get him and his expiring.

Cavs over Denver in 6

quote: Originally posted by EnFuego: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:He was upset because he believed he would make hit, who cares if he was mad. Thats because he is a great player. I know that no one on this team is complaining about players crying for calls, our teams players throw their hands up after every missed shot while jogging back on defense. You just like messing with people don't you? Really, it's all you do here. Messing with people? I don't understand why you would make fun of a guy who was obviously upset he missed a shot to win the game. Was he supposed to be happy? Just because when he loses he doesn't smile and joke with the other team like Howard doesn't mean he is a poor sport. He hates losing and thats how he deals with it who ****ing cares. I mean why do people on this board act like children and just because he doesn't play for Orlando lets say the dumbest **** we can think of about him.

quote: Originally posted by NickAnderson: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:This team is nowhere near as good defensively, Meer gets outperformed on a nightly basis. This team needed to make a move and didn't now this is what were stuck with. You say you are a fan but you only come out when we lose. Why is that? I don't think you have ever said anything good about the team. I bet if we win a championship you would say something retarded. Actually, I am on here every day so unless we lose everyday then your statement would not be true. Why do people on this board just post random things that are completely false?

quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68: quote: Originally posted by EnFuego: quote: Originally posted by NickAnderson: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:This team is nowhere near as good defensively, Meer gets outperformed on a nightly basis. This team needed to make a move and didn't now this is what were stuck with. You say you are a fan but you only come out when we lose. Why is that? I don't think you have ever said anything good about the team. I bet if we win a championship you would say something retarded. Because he enjoys it. Meer got out preformed? huh... Meer 16 pts 5 ast 4 reb 1 stl 2 to 8-15 fgs Kidd 10 pts 8 ast 8 reb 4 stl 3 to 4-8 fgs that looks pretty even to me. against an all star hall of fame to be point guard no less. Oh wait its VaBch. I forgot that logic is useless. I shouldn't have bothered. Yeas because as a PG scoring is the most important thing. J-Kidd played great in the 4th quarter and Nelson was getting killed defensively by Kidd and Terry.

This team is nowhere near as good defensively, Meer gets outperformed on a nightly basis. This team needed to make a move and didn't now this is what were stuck with.

quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64:I was just thinking. Otis should sign Barnes to a solid extension this offseason and trade Pietrus. Barnes may not be a shooter, but he knows his limits and isn't a black hole on offense forcing terrible shots. MP is just a trainwreck constantly throwing up contested 3s.... The same can be said for RA though and MP is a better defensive player. This whole team is full of blackholes on offense that's the problem. I have not seen one game this year where we moved the ball well all game, last year we had tons of games like that. Where was VC in the the 4th quarter? I thought he took over games?

He was upset because he believed he would make hit, who cares if he was mad. Thats because he is a great player. I know that no one on this team is complaining about players crying for calls, our teams players throw their hands up after every missed shot while jogging back on defense.

quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:Actually if you weren't a liar my words were that a charge is better than a block because the other teams gets possession still a lot of times on a block. That's okay though just make stuff up. Charges don't intimidate. Telling Dwight to stop using his greatest attribute, his athleticism, is just dumb. Haha did I ever say for Dwight to stop blocking shots? Why do people make stuff up? I said when taking about Varejeo that even though he isn't a great shot blocker you have to take into account him drawing charges also, thats it. i never said Dwight should stop blocking shots or start drawing charges. I only said that in a lot of ways a guy that draws lots of charges is better than a lot of blocks.

quote: Originally posted by Kramer: quote: Originally posted by LeBrickJames: quote: Originally posted by God hates Magic fans:You jackoffs are always bashing dwight for blocking shots out of bounds. last night he had a few which he blocked to teammates, don't see you big mouths giving him any credit FTR, Only a dope criticizes a good defensive play Who the hell complained about this? VaBCH was a big one. Apperently blocking a shot out of bounds really shouldn't even count as a block. It's a common complaint on this board when Dwight plays a subpar game Actually if you weren't a liar my words were that a charge is better than a block because the other teams gets possession still a lot of times on a block. That's okay though just make stuff up.

quote: Originally posted by TreyTime:When we take the homer goggles off, he won one National Championship (was on the team for two but he himself won one, it would be like saying Mark Brunell is a Super Bowl winning QB now) and one Heisman. LOTS of players did that. Yes he broke records, most notable his rushing records, but that was mostly due to UF not having a short yardage back. Did he ever have a TD run over 50yds? Did he ever have ANY run over 50yds? I'm sure he did, but I'm also sure you could probably count those runs on one hand. Between his slow running and inaccurate arm, he really was one of the least threatening dual threat QBs. Also, saying him being a nice guy factors into him being one of the greatest players ever is absolutely 100% retarded. He was a big part of the first NC, he made kep plays all year. He played nearly every game in crunch situations. Why does he have to have great speed? In the NFL he can do more damage up the middle, his running ability is actually suited better for the NFL than CF. That is why all those speed QB's do nothing in the NFL. His arm is a lot better than people give him credit for. He has things you can't teach and has bad mechanics which you can teach. He has a strong arm and shows good touch. He also has good mobility. He will have the opportunity to work in a PRO system under a QB coach and should improve. The fact you say he was the least threatning dual QB is a good thing, all the other ones have sucked big time. I mean he could be Pat White whose arm is much worse and that guy sucks. Tebow will get a chance to start in the NFL and him on the bench a year or 2 can do wonders for him. I can look at Big Ben and that guy does everything wrong you could think of. But guess what? He gets the ball there and manages to win games even if it is ugly sometimes. I mean Brees is to short and I could go on. Tebow could be a good NFL QB and until otherwise you don't have a point.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68:Ah Lewis, VaBch, and Trey all getting into it on the first page. Yep were starting this NCAA thread off right!!! you know whats crazy? I checked out the 2009 thread the other day and i didn't start arguing with him until something like page 18 when he said that tebow was the best college football player of all time. I didn't argue with you that much either, more with Trey and most of the time you were arguing with the nonsense Trey said also. I said Tebow is one of the best CF players of all time and the best in the decade or something and then you brought up Charlie Ward. Most people in the game of CF football agree with me though. only because people want to believe that they're witnessing the best. You can't rate an athletes career in the moment because it get skewed by sensationalists. Pretty soon in basketball someone will say that lebron or kobe is better than jordan. Its because they forget whan jordan actually accomplished. Thus, Tebow is not a top 10 college football player, sensationalists just want him to be. Tebow is a top 10 player in his sleep, you can argue he is the best and have a legitimate argument. The guy accomplished tons of things no ONE ever did. The guy is a new breed of player and saying that trash is why nothing you say can be taken seriously. You want to argue he wasn't the best of all time? Fine, Archie Griffin and Hershel Walker give you an argument. Not in the top 10 is absolutely absurd and anybody in CF who played or works in it would laugh you out of the room. 1. red grange 2. barry sanders 3.hershel walker 4. dak walker 5.sammy baugh 6. jim thorpe 7. tony dorsett 8. bo jackson 9. roger staubach 10. earl campbell i would also have guys like john elway, jim brown, dick butkus, and archie griffin before him. and charlie ward. That list is a joke dude we aren't judging the NFL. Most of those guys were much better NFL players then CF players and didn't do nearly as much as Tebow. I mean Tebow broke Hershel's record as a **** QB! I know it was more games although Tebow didn't play much as a freshman. Look at the Stats and wins and what he did for his team and he passes nearly everyone on that list with no argument. Get off Charlie Ward I know he went to FSU but the guy isn't comparable to Tebow. Not to mention once you get past stats(which Tebow still dominates) the intangibles crush any players. The guy will be drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL because of them alone. Do you even know anything about those players or ever looked at stats? Elway was 20-23 at Stanford, yeah great CF QB. Barry Sanders although had the greatest season ever was on the bench his first 2 and left after his junior year. So now a guy can be one of the best CF players of all time in one season? Haha dude I don't want to waste my time killing that list do some research and have a clue what you're talking about before posting that crap. lol thats not even my list. it was made by espn. The only difference is they have Vince Young at number 10 (which again goes to sensationalism). Why dont you do some research and get off tebow's jock. this list has tebow at #16 for the top 50 players in the last 50 years. http://bleacherreport.com/arti...ast-50-years#page/33 Haha, Bleacher report? You might as well made it yourself it loses all credibility starting at #1 Lets just find random articles for horrible sources to support our opinion. do you think brett favre is the best qb to ever play in the nfl? No, top 5 probably. I would go with Montana or Marino. Marino was probbaly the most skilled but he will always have the he didn't win a super bowl argument. Manning is getting up there also and Starbauch also. But Brett Favre has all these records!!! basically what i'm saying is Tebow=Favre. He has a lot of statistical achievements and great leadership skills but you cant say he's the best. Im not saying Tebow isn't one of the best players in college football history, just he's not one of the best ever. I don't think people are capable of comparing athletes in the moment. Look at people with Payton. The week before the superbowl there's talk of him being the best ever. He throws that one interception and now theres talk of him folding under pressure, lucking out with his one superbowl, etc. People are too fickle to judge athletes in the moment and the media often loves to crown the next best ever. he belongs in the college football hall of fame and whatever, but its kinda pretentious to name him top 10 ever when you haven't even seen everyone on that list play. Tebow is top 10 in his sleep, just like Favre is. Nobody will ever agree on who is the best but Tebow HAS to be in the conversation just like Favre is.Tebow just doesn't have records, he has NC's and tons of wins and signature moments. The guy was asked to do more than maybe any player in CF history. Not to mention the likability factor(which does matter in this argument) and its a no-brainer.I mean the guy played in the best Conference and dominated, another reason why he could be successful in the NFL. More SEC players play in the NFL than any other conference. So if the guy put up great numbers in the SEC than why is it crazy that he can't be a serviceable QB in the NFL? Tebow is the poster boy for what a CF player should be and in my lifetime nobody has had the impact he has, not even close. TO do what he has done in this era in that conference just adds to his argument.

quote: Originally posted by TreyTime:Freshman year - 2nd String, obviously not best player Sophomore year - Percy Harvin Junior year - Percy Harvin Senior year - The whole defense He was never the best player on his team, we can stop saying he's the best player, or even one of the best players ever. I don't think VaBch even knows who Tommie Frazier is. Moving on, this argument has been destroyed by logic and reasoning, only to be brought back up by VaBch using nonsense. It's like arguing with a woman, logic never works. Yeah I don't know who Tommie Frazier was(sarcasm) dude give it a break. I am ignoring your posts after this so I never have to see them again. Maybe I will take it off so when Florida St is losing games I can hear the excuses.I mean anybody who reads the pure stupidity of Tebow no being the best player on his team would know not even to try to argue with such ignorance. I get it you love Florida St and think they are great and would be slurping Tebow if he was a NOle.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68:Ah Lewis, VaBch, and Trey all getting into it on the first page. Yep were starting this NCAA thread off right!!! you know whats crazy? I checked out the 2009 thread the other day and i didn't start arguing with him until something like page 18 when he said that tebow was the best college football player of all time. I didn't argue with you that much either, more with Trey and most of the time you were arguing with the nonsense Trey said also. I said Tebow is one of the best CF players of all time and the best in the decade or something and then you brought up Charlie Ward. Most people in the game of CF football agree with me though. only because people want to believe that they're witnessing the best. You can't rate an athletes career in the moment because it get skewed by sensationalists. Pretty soon in basketball someone will say that lebron or kobe is better than jordan. Its because they forget whan jordan actually accomplished. Thus, Tebow is not a top 10 college football player, sensationalists just want him to be. Tebow is a top 10 player in his sleep, you can argue he is the best and have a legitimate argument. The guy accomplished tons of things no ONE ever did. The guy is a new breed of player and saying that trash is why nothing you say can be taken seriously. You want to argue he wasn't the best of all time? Fine, Archie Griffin and Hershel Walker give you an argument. Not in the top 10 is absolutely absurd and anybody in CF who played or works in it would laugh you out of the room. 1. red grange 2. barry sanders 3.hershel walker 4. dak walker 5.sammy baugh 6. jim thorpe 7. tony dorsett 8. bo jackson 9. roger staubach 10. earl campbell i would also have guys like john elway, jim brown, dick butkus, and archie griffin before him. and charlie ward. That list is a joke dude we aren't judging the NFL. Most of those guys were much better NFL players then CF players and didn't do nearly as much as Tebow. I mean Tebow broke Hershel's record as a **** QB! I know it was more games although Tebow didn't play much as a freshman. Look at the Stats and wins and what he did for his team and he passes nearly everyone on that list with no argument. Get off Charlie Ward I know he went to FSU but the guy isn't comparable to Tebow. Not to mention once you get past stats(which Tebow still dominates) the intangibles crush any players. The guy will be drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL because of them alone. Do you even know anything about those players or ever looked at stats? Elway was 20-23 at Stanford, yeah great CF QB. Barry Sanders although had the greatest season ever was on the bench his first 2 and left after his junior year. So now a guy can be one of the best CF players of all time in one season? Haha dude I don't want to waste my time killing that list do some research and have a clue what you're talking about before posting that crap. lol thats not even my list. it was made by espn. The only difference is they have Vince Young at number 10 (which again goes to sensationalism). Why dont you do some research and get off tebow's jock. this list has tebow at #16 for the top 50 players in the last 50 years. http://bleacherreport.com/arti...ast-50-years#page/33 Haha, Bleacher report? You might as well made it yourself it loses all credibility starting at #1 Lets just find random articles for horrible sources to support our opinion. do you think brett favre is the best qb to ever play in the nfl? No, top 5 probably. I would go with Montana or Marino. Marino was probbaly the most skilled but he will always have the he didn't win a super bowl argument. Manning is getting up there also and Starbauch also.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13:His field goal attempts are drastically reduced by being fouled nearly every time he gets the ball. Should he get the ball more? Yes. But, its not an accurate number for him compared to others due to the frequency of being fouled. Either with the fouls he is way underutilized. He should be getting a lot more shots than any player on the team. Dwight needs to demand the ball or SVG needs to demand his team give him the ball. Instead SVG actually encourages guys to jack 3's without Dwight ever touching the ball.