Official Draft Thread 3.0

[PlugNickel 7]

You bring up Ron Artest who was never anything more than an average 3 PT shooter (Career 34% Shooter) but laugh at Danny Green who shoots 42% on his career from 3?

 

Also I think too many people have forgotten how good Ray Allen was in his prime:

 

 

Ben McLemore couldn't make half of those shots.

 

Ron Artest has had a more notable of a career than Danny Greene, no? That was the point of the post. Guys who have had good career but struggle dribbling. I laugh at Danny Green cause he doesnt have half the athleticism that BMac has. We are seeing Green's peak right now. He is to limited physically to ever grow outside of his current role.

[PlugNickel 7]

Ray and Reggie could absolutely put the ball on the floor when needed and get their own shots. Go watch any of Ray's Bucks or Sonics highlights, dribble pull-ups everywhere. Also if you have to compare McLemore to two of the best shooters to ever play basketball then it's probably a reach.

 

And to your second point, because the Magic are in dire need of a player who can create offense not only for himself but for his teammates. Since Jameer is basically roadkill at this point in his career, Tobias Harris is probably the best shot creator on the team; we need more. If all you want is an athletic shooter who doesn't have to create offense then you can get Reggie Bullock late in the 1st.

 

Allen and Reggie could put the ball on the flood but BMac can't? I dont get that. There are reasons neither were asked to orchestrate the offense because they were both dynamic scorers and not strong creating through dribble penetration. The only comparison I made was to their ability to dribble. I see no reason why BMac wouldnt be able to improve his shot off the dribble or occasionally break down a defender. The talent is their. But since we are making comparison BMac has the best shooting form I have seen since Ray Allen, except maybe Kyrie.

[PlugNickel 7]

Ray and Reggie could absolutely put the ball on the floor when needed and get their own shots. Go watch any of Ray's Bucks or Sonics highlights, dribble pull-ups everywhere. Also if you have to compare McLemore to two of the best shooters to ever play basketball then it's probably a reach.

And to your second point, because the Magic are in dire need of a player who can create offense not only for himself but for his teammates. Since Jameer is basically roadkill at this point in his career, Tobias Harris is probably the best shot creator on the team; we need more. If all you want is an athletic shooter who doesn't have to create offense then you can get Reggie Bullock late in the 1st.

 

This is where your logic is flawed. We are not in a position to draft for need. This isnt the nfl. Talent trumps need 99.999999999% of the time in the nba draft. Unless your the Miami Heat, 1995 Bulls or 2001 Lakers do you ever draft for need. That why some teams end up with Sam Bowie instead of Michael Jordan. Just saying.

[Mauro Pedrosa 1,032]

Sure, you might be able to find a guy in the second round or even an undrafted rookie who may be able to shoot as good as B-Mac, but you won't find one that will have half the athleticism he has.

 

Usually it's one or the other. Super athletic guy who can't shoot, or great shooter that isn't a great athlete. That's what makes McLemore so enticing and why he will be a top 3 pick in the draft and also why he is compared to Ray Allen and Reggie Miller because both of them were pretty good athletes as well as shooters.

 

I think the absolute floor for McLemore is Nick Young, which is why I actually think he's a pretty safe pick in this draft full of question mark players.

Nick Young and McLemore is a pretty good comparison. I know you're more optimistic, but I think that's what McLemore will end up being.

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see how this all pans out

[LaVar 108]

Nick Young and McLemore is a pretty good comparison. I know you're more optimistic, but I think that's what McLemore will end up being.

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see how this all pans out

 

even nick young can run pick and roll. Nick's handle is still better than bmac. bmac can not get his shot off the dribble. He does not shoot well off the dribble and he cant dribble other than straight line drives. This is what limits him. He is currently a specialist.

 

I would say bmac is a slightly better scoring Michael Petrus. bmac is better at all spots for 3; not just the corners like petrus. He will also be better coming off screens for caught and shoot. This is currently his game.

 

Ray Allen and Nick Young can shoot off the dribble and run pick and roll.

[Mauro Pedrosa 1,032]

even nick young can run pick and roll. Nick's handle is still better than bmac. bmac can not get his shot off the dribble. He does not shoot well off the dribble and he cant dribble other than straight line drives. This is what limits him. He is currently a specialist.

 

I would say bmac is a slightly better scoring Michael Petrus. bmac is better at all spots for 3; not just the corners like petrus. He will also be better coming off screens for caught and shoot. This is currently his game.

 

Ray Allen and Nick Young can shoot off the dribble and run pick and roll.

Believe me, I want to stay away from McLemore, I've said it many times. I won't keep repeating myself too much because :

 

1) We'll only know if I'm right some months or years from now

 

2) It may upset people that have a different opinion

[LaVar 108]

Believe me, I want to stay away from McLemore, I've said it many times. I won't keep repeating myself too much because :

 

1) We'll only know if I'm right some months or years from now

 

2) It may upset people that have a different opinion

 

 

I definitely understand. I feel I have been saying the same thing for a whole month. I cant wait until the draft is over and summer league is here.

[O_SteveO 102]

Maybe I'm naive, but I will instantly be a believer in whoever Rob picks. For instance: I'm not at all excited by Porter, Burke and Oladipo could both be seriously underwhelming, and BMac is a risk/reward. All that said, my opinions of these players would almost instantly change if we draft them- not because they would then be Magic players, but because I trust our FO that much to make good evaluations.

[BN 44]

Maybe I'm naive, but I will instantly be a believer in whoever Rob picks. For instance: I'm not at all excited by Porter, Burke and Oladipo could both be seriously underwhelming, and BMac is a risk/reward. All that said, my opinions of these players would almost instantly change if we draft them- not because they would then be Magic players, but because I trust our FO that much to make good evaluations.

 

Basically same situation here, only wishful thinking is the cause :D

 

Good thing that there aren't many cliffs in the state of Florida, huh...

[LaVar 108]

Maybe I'm naive, but I will instantly be a believer in whoever Rob picks. For instance: I'm not at all excited by Porter, Burke and Oladipo could both be seriously underwhelming, and BMac is a risk/reward. All that said, my opinions of these players would almost instantly change if we draft them- not because they would then be Magic players, but because I trust our FO that much to make good evaluations.

I agree with the FO. I really do trust them so far. T. Harris and Vooch are prime examples of what they can do. Henny has done well thus far.

 

What about burke dont you like? It has been proven he is above average for size at pg. He is not smart big, but he is not nelson either. What short comings do you see?

[Mauro Pedrosa 1,032]

I definitely understand. I feel I have been saying the same thing for a whole month. I cant wait until the draft is over and summer league is here.

Very true. It seems like the whole board has been in an endless loop

[O_SteveO 102]

What about burke dont you like? It has been proven he is above average for size at pg. He is not smart big, but he is not nelson either. What short comings do you see?

No, I like Burke just fine. To some degree, I like everyone I named.

 

At very least, he'll be a solid player in the league. But at #2, I'm looking for him to be better than that. My only question about him is how effectively his strengths (shooting, passing, handling) will translate to the NBA.