2018 Official Offseason Thread

[Magicpassion 4]

20 hours ago, JJZFL said:

Yeah.  Fans should always be satisfied with a lousy product.  Who do they think they are?

Simply stating we accelerated the build too quickly

[Justin Jaudon 221]

40 minutes ago, Magicpassion said:

Simply stating we accelerated the build too quickly

We didn't, though. It was the right time when we tried to accelerate it, we just mashed the break and the accelerator at the same time, turned the wheel, and shifted into reverse. We tried to accelerate the process by using some of our young players to get complementary veteran talent. We just used the wrong young players to do it. We also tried to remain patient with our horrid PG, and we continued to try to find a PF who could make up for Vuc's deficiencies (not possible in today's NBA). We tried to completely change the role and position of our best prospect to fit the previous moves. And we signed the wrong FA to big money. We were patient with the wrong guys, impatient with the wrong guys, and horrible with our money. The timing wasn't the problem. Imagine if instead of trading Dipo, we - instead of Utah - got involved in the deal that moved Teague and Hill. We get Hill, who was terrific last year, to put in a lineup with Dipo, Fournier, Gordon, and Vuc. Still bad D, right? But then Imagine instead of signing Biz and Jeff Green for $32 million of our cap space, we re-signed Dedmon and outbid the Mavs for Harrison Barnes. Then we have a lineup of Hill, Dipo, Barnes, Gordon, and Vuc, with Dedmon playing when teams start spamming P&Rs at Vuc, and Payton, Fournier, and Mario anchoring the bench. Looking a lot better, isn't it?

 

We could have done those things. They wouldn't have been thought of as weird moves. Orlando, coming off a 35-win season and Payton's most maligned of his career, uses a late-loto draft pick to get veteran PG. Makes sense. Orlando, with a need at SF, takes a big roll of the dice on Barnes' potential. Again, makes sense. We were expected to be in that conversation by a lot of people. That's a playoff team with a lot of defensive switching potential outside of Vuc in the SL, and an interesting offensive group on the bench. Not sure if that team ever competes for a championship. Depends probably on if Dipo develops into what he is now in that scenario, and if we could develop long-term PG and C options. I'd take that young core of Dipo/Barnes/Gordon over what we have now, for sure.

[Magicpassion 4]

That’s are fair argument. The game has definitely changed quickly as evident in the playoffs.

[Nyce_1 311]

13 hours ago, Justin Jaudon said:

We didn't, though. It was the right time when we tried to accelerate it, we just mashed the break and the accelerator at the same time, turned the wheel, and shifted into reverse. We tried to accelerate the process by using some of our young players to get complementary veteran talent. We just used the wrong young players to do it. We also tried to remain patient with our horrid PG, and we continued to try to find a PF who could make up for Vuc's deficiencies (not possible in today's NBA). We tried to completely change the role and position of our best prospect to fit the previous moves. And we signed the wrong FA to big money. We were patient with the wrong guys, impatient with the wrong guys, and horrible with our money. The timing wasn't the problem. Imagine if instead of trading Dipo, we - instead of Utah - got involved in the deal that moved Teague and Hill. We get Hill, who was terrific last year, to put in a lineup with Dipo, Fournier, Gordon, and Vuc. Still bad D, right? But then Imagine instead of signing Biz and Jeff Green for $32 million of our cap space, we re-signed Dedmon and outbid the Mavs for Harrison Barnes. Then we have a lineup of Hill, Dipo, Barnes, Gordon, and Vuc, with Dedmon playing when teams start spamming P&Rs at Vuc, and Payton, Fournier, and Mario anchoring the bench. Looking a lot better, isn't it?

 

We could have done those things. They wouldn't have been thought of as weird moves. Orlando, coming off a 35-win season and Payton's most maligned of his career, uses a late-loto draft pick to get veteran PG. Makes sense. Orlando, with a need at SF, takes a big roll of the dice on Barnes' potential. Again, makes sense. We were expected to be in that conversation by a lot of people. That's a playoff team with a lot of defensive switching potential outside of Vuc in the SL, and an interesting offensive group on the bench. Not sure if that team ever competes for a championship. Depends probably on if Dipo develops into what he is now in that scenario, and if we could develop long-term PG and C options. I'd take that young core of Dipo/Barnes/Gordon over what we have now, for sure.

Damn.

[magicdoc1 261]

15 hours ago, Justin Jaudon said:

We didn't, though. It was the right time when we tried to accelerate it, we just mashed the break and the accelerator at the same time, turned the wheel, and shifted into reverse. We tried to accelerate the process by using some of our young players to get complementary veteran talent. We just used the wrong young players to do it. We also tried to remain patient with our horrid PG, and we continued to try to find a PF who could make up for Vuc's deficiencies (not possible in today's NBA). We tried to completely change the role and position of our best prospect to fit the previous moves. And we signed the wrong FA to big money. We were patient with the wrong guys, impatient with the wrong guys, and horrible with our money. The timing wasn't the problem. Imagine if instead of trading Dipo, we - instead of Utah - got involved in the deal that moved Teague and Hill. We get Hill, who was terrific last year, to put in a lineup with Dipo, Fournier, Gordon, and Vuc. Still bad D, right? But then Imagine instead of signing Biz and Jeff Green for $32 million of our cap space, we re-signed Dedmon and outbid the Mavs for Harrison Barnes. Then we have a lineup of Hill, Dipo, Barnes, Gordon, and Vuc, with Dedmon playing when teams start spamming P&Rs at Vuc, and Payton, Fournier, and Mario anchoring the bench. Looking a lot better, isn't it?

 

We could have done those things. They wouldn't have been thought of as weird moves. Orlando, coming off a 35-win season and Payton's most maligned of his career, uses a late-loto draft pick to get veteran PG. Makes sense. Orlando, with a need at SF, takes a big roll of the dice on Barnes' potential. Again, makes sense. We were expected to be in that conversation by a lot of people. That's a playoff team with a lot of defensive switching potential outside of Vuc in the SL, and an interesting offensive group on the bench. Not sure if that team ever competes for a championship. Depends probably on if Dipo develops into what he is now in that scenario, and if we could develop long-term PG and C options. I'd take that young core of Dipo/Barnes/Gordon over what we have now, for sure.

Sure.. the team will be better and likely in a good position to compete for a playoff spot every year but I dont think is a team to be very proud of either.

I am Not a big Barnes fan and Hill was not really an option since we were still expecting for Payton to develop. Besides, DJ’s hire was a decent one. Hill’s contract is one to stay away from. 

Considering all the names you have put out there, how in heck we were going to pay all those players??? Hill, Fournier, Barnes, Dipo, Gordon, Vuch and Dedmond? 

Dipo trade was the one that hurts the most but just because we now know who he has become. A lot of people though that Fournier was as good as an option as him and having Ibaka and Fournier vs Dipo was a no brainer for most(including myself).

since we are playing the what could of happened game:

we could have also been more patient with Dipo, keep Harris and pass on Biyombo and sign Ibaka in free agency and have a core of

Dipo,Harris,Gordon,Ibaka.  Ibaka playing at the 5 position. I like this more. 

Putting all that aside and looking into the future, I like a poetrntial lineup consisting of:

Young, Isaac and Gordon or

My favorite:

okobo, Isaac,Gordon, JJJ/Bamba

[A Better DJ & Photographer 457]

Yeah Henny must have been doing shrooms or something when he signed Biyombo to that awful contract. We probably could have kept Dedmon for about 1/3 of that and been happy.

[Magicfan1987 266]

3 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:

Yeah Henny must have been doing shrooms or something when he signed Biyombo to that awful contract. We probably could have kept Dedmon for about 1/3 of that and been happy.

Desmond is so much more athletic than Biz as well

[MagicFan1234 124]

I am interested to see who will be our new assistants 

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

 

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Delany was the advance scout of the heat from 07-13 (charting tendencies of future opponents) then a g-league head coach before joining Clifford in Charlotte

[Malik Buttface 57]

4 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:

Yeah Henny must have been doing shrooms or something when he signed Biyombo to that awful contract. We probably could have kept Dedmon for about 1/3 of that and been happy.

To be fair, someone was going to over pay for him that offseason after his playoff performance. 

[MagicFan1234 124]

6 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

 

Interesting, thank you for that!