Magicfan1987 266 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, ML6 said: As down as I've been on Young, I would take him over Bagley. me too... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 1 hour ago, The Neighborhood Bully said: My worst case scenario... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2771982-2018-nba-mock-draft-prospects-facing-major-fall-down-draft-boards This scenario is why I hope we land in the top 3. Not that I'm down on Bagely. Just presents a lot more questions than answers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Originalticketholder 133 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, The Neighborhood Bully said: My worst case scenario... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2771982-2018-nba-mock-draft-prospects-facing-major-fall-down-draft-boards Very possible and I think Bagley is going to be very good and may be the best player at #5, better than some drafted before him and better than Isaac and Gordon. Problem is he duplicates what we have so he is a hard fit for us. Athletic long and a scorer already. Consumate rebounder. Fits Weltmann's criteria! But it is early. If the above scenario plays out individual workouts and combine will be critical in establishing the pecking order. In play for us would be Bagley, Young and, hold onto your seats, Porter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,419 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, The Neighborhood Bully said: My worst case scenario... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2771982-2018-nba-mock-draft-prospects-facing-major-fall-down-draft-boards I think it all depends on the coaching. I want several guys ahead of him but he’s young and got a lot of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Soul Bro said: I think it all depends on the coaching. I want several guys ahead of him but he’s young and got a lot of talent. I think we just discussed the issues of Kevin Love and a lot of those issues overlap with bagley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: I think we just discussed the issues of Kevin Love and a lot of those issues overlap with bagley You think him and Love are the same? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: You think him and Love are the same? I think love is a talented player who has issues defending on the perimeter but also isn't good defending on the interior resulting in a heavily exploitable problem for the Cavs. I think Bagley has issues defending on the perimeter and also lacks rim protection, isn't a weak side defender, and there's some evidence he has trouble managing rotations. There's nuances to their games that make them different. But they share similar flaws. I'm weary of the "can't defend small ball 4s, can't protect the rim at 5" players in this NBA. David Lee went from prized free agent team centerpiece to talented role player who is unplayable in certain matchups in the blink of an eye. Love still plays at a somewhat high level because he's a great shooter but you really have to build around his weaknesses. So what are we expecting Bagley to be in the NBA and why draft him fifth? There's eventually a point where you feel like taking a swing on talent despite flaws is preferable to taking a less talented player but what point is that? But how much better than Kenneth Faried does he have to be to be worth it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 2 hours ago, ?4thewin said: I think love is a talented player who has issues defending on the perimeter but also isn't good defending on the interior resulting in a heavily exploitable problem for the Cavs. I think Bagley has issues defending on the perimeter and also lacks rim protection, isn't a weak side defender, and there's some evidence he has trouble managing rotations. There's nuances to their games that make them different. But they share similar flaws. I'm weary of the "can't defend small ball 4s, can't protect the rim at 5" players in this NBA. David Lee went from prized free agent team centerpiece to talented role player who is unplayable in certain matchups in the blink of an eye. Love still plays at a somewhat high level because he's a great shooter but you really have to build around his weaknesses. So what are we expecting Bagley to be in the NBA and why draft him fifth? There's eventually a point where you feel like taking a swing on talent despite flaws is preferable to taking a less talented player but what point is that? But how much better than Kenneth Faried does he have to be to be worth it? That's why I'd go with Trae if we pick 5 or lower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: That's why I'd go with Trae if we pick 5 or lower. I think that's fair Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: That's why I'd go with Trae if we pick 5 or lower. 11 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: I think that's fair That's also why it is so important to rank players by tiers, and to have a decent feel for how other teams have ranked them. For example, let's say you have the second pick, and you want Doncic, and have Young as your second choice; but you know the team ahead of you is going to take Doncic. Rather than pick Young with #2, you could start working the phones with teams below you who might want Ayton, Jackson, or Bamba and would be willing to take Young for you, and give you something else as well if you pick their guy for them. That is kind of how the Magic ended up with Penny Hardaway. They had him in and loved his game and his fit, but Weber was the consensus #1; so the Magic went looking for a deal that would bring them both their guy (Penny) and something extra. I don't think we will see a deal where we could get our guy and two future firsts like we did then; but we might be able to pull our guy plus one. Remember every player and every pick is an asset, so it's not just about this year's fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: That's why I'd go with Trae if we pick 5 or lower. If JJJ, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba are off the board, I would say either Trae or Mikal Bridges. If we think they add equal value, Trae is probably the better choice since we don't have as much need for a wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Odin said: If JJJ, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba are off the board, I would say either Trae or Mikal Bridges. If we think they add equal value, Trae is probably the better choice since we don't have as much need for a wing. Yeah and it's not like we couldn't use a PG and we might as well get one who can shoot and distribute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
