Magicman28 295 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 ZACH LAVINE ISNT GOOD How come magic fans can look at our own players and say "Hmm... maybe Fournier or Vucevic (in the past) aren't all that great because they put up some stats but we aren't better when they play, perhaps they're 'good stats, bad team' guys". But they can't apply that to other teams? Why do we have to re-learn the Monta Ellis lesson repeatedly forever? This isn't just me. Bill Simmons and Kevin O' Connor just discussed in the last podcast how Minnesota should dump Lavine now at the peak of his value to some stupid team a la MCW. I would trade Payton for Lavine. I would not trade Ibaka or Gordon for him. I do believe we need to go another direction and I don't think Lavine is that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 535 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Yeah don't need a young player with with high upside who has a cockiness about him that is not allowed in Orlando. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Yeah don't need a young player with with high upside who has a cockiness about him that is not allowed in Orlando. Minnesota plays its best basketball when Lavine isn't playing. The magic play better when Fournier isn't playing. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id1_select=Zach+LaVine&y1=2017&player_id1=lavinza01&hint=Evan+Fournier&player_id2_select=Evan+Fournier&y2=2017&player_id2=fournev01 is the difference appreciable? If we have Fournier that can do these things and maybe Lavine is slightly better than Fournier why would we give up assets for slight improvement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Yeah don't need a young player with with high upside who has a cockiness about him that is not allowed in Orlando. We got two of those. I'm not closed off to Lavine but what do you give up to get him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Minnesota plays its best basketball when Lavine isn't playing. The magic play better when Fournier isn't playing. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id1_select=Zach+LaVine&y1=2017&player_id1=lavinza01&hint=Evan+Fournier&player_id2_select=Evan+Fournier&y2=2017&player_id2=fournev01 is the difference appreciable? If we have Fournier that can do these things and maybe Lavine is slightly better than Fournier why would we give up assets for slight improvement? Right so your hoping he comes in and makes the team better not make the box score look impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Right so your hoping he comes in and makes the team better not make the box score look impressive. We have two directions we need to move. 1. double down on contending 2. blow things up. Lavine does neither. I miss oladipo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 We have two directions we need to move. 1. double down on contending 2. blow things up. Lavine does neither. I miss oladipo. Would we be that much different minus Ibaka plus Oladipo? Visually they seem to provide equal value just differently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 We have two directions we need to move. 1. double down on contending 2. blow things up. Lavine does neither. I miss oladipo. What a place to be in too. No real alternatives to that unless there's someone sitting there we fans have overlooked with some crazy advanced stat the we bring in that just propels us into option 1 and option 2 that probably won't go successfully because of the positioning we'll be in. Sigh. Oh and don't talk to me about Dipo! I knew we would...sniff sniff... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekraprovert 6 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I really wish we could have seen what Vogel could have done with our lineup without the Vic trade, everything else being the same, at least for half a season. After seeing what he's done to improve Vuc in particular on the defensive end, it really would have been interesting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 What a place to be in too. No real alternatives to that unless there's someone sitting there we fans have overlooked with some crazy advanced stat the we bring in that just propels us into option 1 and option 2 that probably won't go successfully because of the positioning we'll be in. Sigh. Oh and don't talk to me about Dipo! I knew we would...sniff sniff... While Ibaka has been fine, I think we would be a better team if we undid that trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 Would we be that much different minus Ibaka plus Oladipo? Visually they seem to provide equal value just differently. In a vacuum the trade was fine and ibaka is good. When looking at how the trade marginalized Gordon and how two way players are hard to find and how we're all looking to get value for ibaka already its depressing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 In a vacuum the trade was fine and ibaka is good. When looking at how the trade marginalized Gordon and how two way players are hard to find and how we're all looking to get value for ibaka already its depressing Yea I can see that. I love Dipo. Wouldn't mind if the trade never happened especially with Vogel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
