ML6 520 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 Good points. In a vacuum I'm taking Fox over Payton, so I'm not trying to insinuate Payton is better. Payton's inconsistency and tendency to drift is infuriating. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't see certain similarities. Who knows, maybe Fox's consistency and desire to take over in crunch time is all he'll need to be the far better prospect. Like I said, his shooting form is much better than Payton and yes, FT% is encouraging for someone with such poor outside shooting numbers. Guess the next question would be: if Lloyd stays on, will he have the balls to pull the trigger on Fox when national media will just say "Look how dumb the Magic are! They just took another Elfrid!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 7, 2017 The thing fox has over Payton is athleticism and defense. If Payton played above average defense we wouldn't be thinking about replacing him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchero MVP 391 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 The thing fox has over Payton is athleticism and defense. If Payton played above average defense we wouldn't be thinking about replacing him I personally like fox, I wouldn't be mad if we got him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Better DJ & Photographer 457 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 IMO Fox has a terrific will to win that you don't see very often in Payton. I say we take him (unless we get #1 of course) and trade our #25 and EP for the earliest pick we can pry out of the Kings. (8 or 10) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,482 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 The thing fox has over Payton is athleticism and defense. If Payton played above average defense we wouldn't be thinking about replacing him During the draft one of Paytons big positives was his defense. He was college basketballs DPoTY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 During the draft one of Paytons big positives was his defense. He was college basketballs DPoTY. That college award isn't really meticulously analysed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ML6 520 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 That college award isn't really meticulously analysed. That might not change the perception though. I'm sure having that award under his belt, regardless of its true merit, inflated Payton's perceived value/projection somewhat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 That might not change the perception though. I'm sure having that award under his belt, regardless of its true merit, inflated Payton's perceived value/projection somewhat. Oh, yeah, sure. He projected as a good defender. Tall. Long arms. He's just not good. I think fox projects better via good games against other elite point guards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 531 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 Payton plays very good d when he squares up and defends one on one. It's when he tries to direct his guy one way or another is where he is bad. He takes too large of an angle and gives up straight line drives. Is this what is being taught? Seems likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 Payton plays very good d when he squares up and defends one on one. It's when he tries to direct his guy one way or another is where he is bad. He takes too large of an angle and gives up straight line drives. Is this what is being taught? Seems likely. This just isn't true. He has trouble with one on one defense. He has trouble navigating screens. He jumps passing lanes well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 531 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 This just isn't true. He has trouble with one on one defense. He has trouble navigating screens. He jumps passing lanes well. I disagree politely as I actually watch every game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted May 8, 2017 This just isn't true. He has trouble with one on one defense. He has trouble navigating screens. He jumps passing lanes well. Ehh, he is mediocre. Players aren't really lighting him up when he is on them, but he is not locking them down either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
