The Sky Is Falling..?

[Franchero MVP 391]

It really is crazy were only 3 games out of the 8 seed. I guess crazy isn't the word. Sad/Pathetic fits better. It is however crazy how much better the West is. I would love to get that 8 seed. Even if we only get in because of how bad the East is, you cant deny how important getting playoff experience is. Also, damn I just miss watching us in the Playoffs.

 

Definitely. I think the confidence of making the playoffs will do wonders for our guys next year.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Lol a 10 game win streak? That's about as likely as Harkless turning the corner or Nicholson developing quicker feet. But, yes, a 10 game win streak would shut everyone (me included) up.

 

It shouldn't. Flawed magic teams in the past have won a crazy % of games.

[Murphy13 185]

The fact that you actually think this after I made that post, taking the time to respond to every "point" he made makes me sincerely question your intelligence and reading comprehension.

 

Ill just give you a pass and assume you didn't read the post and immediately went for a snarky response anyway since you just woke up and were cranky.

 

There was nothing in my post at all that hinted at that. I don't know how anyone with even a 4th grade level grasp of the english language could read what I wrote and walk away with that impression.

 

I know you really want to counterpoint everything people say on here, but this is a new low.

 

So hateful. The snark is primarily in your response, not mine. I believe there is plenty of evidence of me attempting to provide balance to any conversation-including this very thread, you just choose to see what you want. I tend to be agreeable with well thought out position, evidenced by conversation in this very thread. The problem you face is that at times your position lacks a well thought out point, when someone addresses it (not just me) you clam up and get defensive and start e-stomping your feet like an adolescent. Your idea of what defines the difference between what is low and what is not lacks substance, merit and credibility.

[Murphy13 185]

It shouldn't. Flawed magic teams in the past have won a crazy % of games.

 

While each strong team should come close to one of those per season I think we are entirely too flawed to expect anything close. 7-8 game streaks are not uncommon, even by middling teams. Just enough to delay firings of coaches, but not enough to take you anywhere. One could argue that such a streak may be detrimental to needed change, is that the case with our team? Have we reached a point where we are better off with fewer wins if it leads to change?

[HeHateMe 697]

If the sky was falling, it officially fell tonight.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

While each strong team should come close to one of those per season I think we are entirely too flawed to expect anything close. 7-8 game streaks are not uncommon, even by middling teams. Just enough to delay firings of coaches, but not enough to take you anywhere. One could argue that such a streak may be detrimental to needed change, is that the case with our team? Have we reached a point where we are better off with fewer wins if it leads to change?

 

That's what my point is. Judge the team by the season, not a random winning streak. If Vaughn is the right coach, he's the right coach if we win 26 games or 35 games.

[Janders 102]

If the sky was falling, it officially fell tonight.

I dunno, I felt like that after the Boston loss, the Philly loss, the Lakers loss, the 79 points given up in 1 half, the Detroit loss, etc

[nCoolness 79]

I would take another Van Gundy (attempt to joke). It would be slightly funny to have both Jeff and Stan to compete against each other on who is a better coach

[Tough Break There 96]

I dunno, I felt like that after the Boston loss, the Philly loss, the Lakers loss, the 79 points given up in 1 half, the Detroit loss, etc

 

 

I was at the game and it felt like the start of a tank job to me. Team has quit.

 

Those other losses were all horrible but you felt each time a response was possible. It's to late in the year for another response.

 

In terms of the overall thread, Henny's done some good things, and perhaps positioning the team to win 20 games and win the lottery was a good start after Dwight.

 

But at this point, just fielding a competitive .500 team would be welcome. He's gonna have to have a good summer to get there next year. And if we're still in mid-20's win totals next year (in the East) nearly a half decade into a GM's tenure....how much longer can that tenure go on for?

 

I think Lowe's article was pretty good on the team last week. We're doing something, but who the hell knows what. Time for the GM to start figuring that out, kind of his job.

[JJZFL 623]

Let me get this straight - you use an "I'm done with this team because we drafted Aaron Gordon" thread as an example of legit post? I just want to be clear what I am reading here because I don't really see anything that out of line with what we projected. Most of us said this team would possibly compete for an 8th seed, and if they get things going again, it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

 

The main problem with the summer whiners was how they complained about things they knew nothing about. They didn't know a damn thing about Elfrid or AG and decided they sucked anyway. They didn't realize that a rebuild takes 4-5 years so they whined that we didn't get star X or Y and demanded us to fast forward the process since they deserved it as "loyal fans". Most said the Ben Gordon signing was terrible as well.

 

So let's not try and justify these people like they made a valid point off of their wishy washy, hedging opinions that allow them to bandwagon the team if it gets good or bash them to death if it doesn't.

 

On to your points:

 

- Correct. Creating a young team is no secret to success but it is still THE BEST strategy to succeed long term. The only way to get stars when you are bad is via draft and talent acquisition. In other words, Vuc went from a throw in trade piece to a guy who people vehemently beg that we keep despite that fact that he could most likely fetch us a true star in a trade soon.

 

Essentially this concern is in line with "there are no guarantees in life", and thats a given.

 

- The Hawks had an unproven coach too and the only reason people are singing his praises is because he has a more established roster with the pieces to fit his scheme. Steve Kerr - unproven coach. Plenty of teams have "unproven GMs". Let me give you one - Stan Van Gundy. Pretty sure he had never run a team before from the Executive level and he is doing just fine. Difference is the cupboard was not absolutely bare when these guys got their jobs. For Rob, it was depleted.

 

- How do you know there aren't milestones? Because Rob doesn't email you a personal report detailing his future plans for the team? Here's a milestone for you - we had nothing at all when he took over. Now we have multiple tradable assets and are considered a team loaded with young talent.

 

- Sure there are risks, but that is NBA basketball. Why don't you talk to a Bucks or Hawks fan about that? They've had it way worse than us, and the Hawks have almost been sold multiple times. The Magic have had 2 finals runs since the Bucks have even been relevant. Last time I checked, the teams have fans showing back up after decades of failure. DECADES. And you are worrying about 4 years. It's not realistic or knowledge based emotion.

 

- Yes, the team does not have character yet. This is what happens in rebuild. You acquire assets, you develop them by playing them and then you build their value to create the team you want. Once that occurs, the team will have character. We are in stage 2 of 3.

 

 

 

You're disappointed? That's on you. Realistic study on team rebuilds should have you expecting this team to be at best a playoff 8th seed this year.

 

The problem is people either don't grasp the NBA rebuild process or just want to plug their ears and scream "I DONT CARE. I WANNA WIN NOW!!", and then they get made when it doesn't happen.

 

Win or Lose tomorrow, I think you will have a great time at the game with your son. It's not always about the game, its about the moments you create. Have fun and enjoy it.

 

And that's exactly the kind of post that was so prevalent this past summer. Very aggressively assertive, basically saying the Magic are doing everything right, any criticism is misplaced, things are going quite well, you just aren't patient enough, you don't understand rebuilding, etc. I especially like the part about "how do I know there aren't milestones" since I don't get a personal report from Rob every day. Does that mean we can't have opinions if we don't get personal reports from the management? Do you think this team is hitting milestones at this point? Which ones? I may not get a personal report but I have eyes.

 

Look, Catman is entitled to his opinion just like anyone else. But his opinion appears to be increasingly divorced from the opinions of most others following this team, and frankly from reality. Don't take my word for it, just read the articles in today's Sentinel (prior to tonight's loss to another bad team).

[JJZFL 623]

At this point, I know you're a clear and obvious troll, but I'm curious:

 

Do you REALLY want people to go back and find every single post where you've been hilariously wrong about stuff?

 

I mean, I get that you only show up to complain and that if this team were to suddenly go on a 10 game win streak you'd disappear completely, but still, I just can't figure...

 

You know, what? It's easier just to say that you're not worth listening to and put you on ignore.

 

Worst post on this thread, just another attack. Please do put me on ignore, as you have nothing useful to add to any conversation.

 

I would be glad to have people look at my prior posts, and yours under the DOM name. Let them come to their own conclusions.

[Stu Bronsilino 313]

read the sentinel... lol