CTMagicUK 1,482 Report post Posted June 7, 2015 Other than that, he needs to gain weight and strength (almost a guarantee at his age), gain consistency on his jumper (also almost a guarantee), and develop his post game. Also, he needs to further develop his awareness and fundamentals on D (almost a guarantee under Skiles). This could easily be about pretty much any big man in the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted June 7, 2015 This could easily be about pretty much any big man in the draft. exactly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,482 Report post Posted June 7, 2015 exactly Point being if you just assume guys are going to improve at all their weaknesses you can draft anybody at 5 it won't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted June 7, 2015 Point being if you just assume guys are going to improve at all their weaknesses you can draft anybody at 5 it won't matter. But that's simplistic. What weaknesses you can expect a guy to improve depend entirely on what those weaknesses are. Players improve in virtually every way from when they are 19 years old going into the NBA. But certain things improve naturally much more than others. If a guy has bad mechanics on his jump shot, and shoots poorly from the FT line, it is unlikely he will improve enough to be a good shooter. But Turner has terrific mechanics and shot over 80% from the FT line. So very likely he will improve as a shooter, because the foundation for improvement is very strong. If a guy has a wiry frame and has trouble keeping on weight, likely he will have trouble with strength in the NBA. Turner doesn't have those problems, and he doesn't need to add much to his frame. He's already an effective defensive rebounder and rim protector (elite, as far as college prospects go). Just about every player who goes into an NBA locker room adds strength, if not weight. And he has already been pro-active on figuring out exactly what he needs to do to add the right kind of strength. Again, the foundation for improvement there is strong, and guys with a strong foundation for improvement usually do improve once they are in the NBA. If a guy has no post moves and bad foot work, it is unlikely there will be much improvement. Turner already has two effective post moves. He's 19. Barely. He already has solid footwork and a better post game than most (especially among guys projected to often be used as a stretch 4). He needs to get stronger, but the foundation of his post game is there, and there is every reason to believe he will (not just might) improve. Every 18-year-old (because he didn't turn 19 until after we stopped getting to see him play against competition) needs to improve on his defensive fundamentals. He already has good anticipation on his shot-blocking, he just needs to understand positioning and defensive responsibilities a little better. It is absurd to think those things won't improve. And the biggest thing about this is that those really aren't major weaknesses in Turner's game, just places where improvement is desired. The reason you can't just expect most guys to improve on their weaknesses is that they don't have the foundation to improve. It is absurd to expect Jahlil Okafor to become a consistent jump-shooter, because he doesn't have that foundation. It is absurd to expect WCS to become a dominant post player, because his footwork is terrible and his touch is bad around the basket. It is absurd to expect Frank Kaminsky to become an elite rim protector, because his timing and movement on defense are average to below-average. But Turner is good at all of those things already, he just needs improvement to become elite in the NBA. As an experiment, compare Turner's numbers overall to Towns'. Towns was more efficient (due in no small part to playing closer to the basket), but that is about it. Now I understand there are obvious outliers that do mean something. Turner's numbers against good teams is one. But still Turner managed to block more shots and commit less fouls, all while playing about the same minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 7, 2015 Love the Rasheed comp for Towns by nba.com. That is spot on. Damn, they stole my comp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
God Hates Otis Smith 153 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 i really hope we do not pick turner 5th.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 i really hope we do not pick turner 5th.... I can't tell who runs more awkwardly, Myles Turner or Andrew Nicholson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the notorious S.A.C. 89 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 WCS 7'1" in shoes. A 9'3" standing reach and a 37" vertical at 7'. One of the best defensive prospects in the last 10 years. 6% body fat. Does it matter he is 21 years old? These measurements are freakishly unique. He just needs time. Those measurements are virtual carbon copies of D12s. You might see numbers like that once in 5 years from a big man he is worth the chance to fill the hole we've had since D12 exited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Funderburker 111 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 We get out sac, you like wcs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mauro Pedrosa 1,031 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 You might see numbers like that once in 5 years from a big man he is worth the chance to fill the hole we've had since D12 exited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 WCS 7'1" in shoes. A 9'3" standing reach and a 37" vertical at 7'. One of the best defensive prospects in the last 10 years. 6% body fat. Does it matter he is 21 years old? These measurements are freakishly unique. He just needs time. Those measurements are virtual carbon copies of D12s. You might see numbers like that once in 5 years from a big man he is worth the chance to fill the hole we've had since D12 exited. Ugh, come on. Just because your an athletic freak doesn't mean your going to be an elite player. Same goes for any sport. So much more goes into a player that determines their level of success other than athleticism and everything you just named was an athletic trait. Again, whenever I watched WCS he literally couldn't post up guards. I'm not saying he can't improve, he can and he will, but if he improves and maximizes his potential, that will make him more of a Tyson Chandler player rather than Dwight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 8, 2015 WCS 7'1" in shoes. A 9'3" standing reach and a 37" vertical at 7'. One of the best defensive prospects in the last 10 years. 6% body fat. Does it matter he is 21 years old? These measurements are freakishly unique. He just needs time. Those measurements are virtual carbon copies of D12s. You might see numbers like that once in 5 years from a big man he is worth the chance to fill the hole we've had since D12 exited. 7'0 in shoes, 9'0 standing reach, 38.5 max vert. Nba great Stephen Hunter 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
