Give Me Redick All Day 109 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: Okay, but getting knocked off in the ECF isn't staying competitive? Not after you were in the Finals the year before, with a weaker team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Day: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: Okay, but getting knocked off in the ECF isn't staying competitive? Not after you were in the Finals the year before, with a weaker team. We were still in the running. That's being competitive... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Give Me Redick All Day 109 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Day: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Day: I don't see a scenario where we stay competitive in this revamped division if we can't get Paul. UNLESS----- Dwight comes back from this offseason with a focused approach on improving, and his game gets marginality better. I mean, hell, the kid doesn't need to get THAT much better, that's how good he is... But it's Paul, or Dwight's improvement that will carry us to the top. What does "competitive" exactly mean to you? I mean, I'm sorry if I subscribe to the idea that having 3 of the best players in the NBA today is actually a tough obstacle for us to overcome. But if the gold medal team was any indication, these guys know how to play together, and Pat Riley won't let a team like this fail. oh **** did miami get kobe too? cuz im pretty sure he was the guy demanding the ball on team USA in crunch time. you cant use the olympics as a measuring stick. Wade was their top guy, and he was coming off the bench. My point was, these three played together, and they played pretty well. But time will tell on whether not this experiment in South Beach will work... but I'll put a bet down now that it will. And we need to be more ready than any other team in the league, since it's our division we need to defend against those front-runners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Give Me Redick All Day 109 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Day: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: Okay, but getting knocked off in the ECF isn't staying competitive? Not after you were in the Finals the year before, with a weaker team. We were still in the running. That's being competitive... I look at it as a step back. We weren't AS competitive as we were the year before. I don't want to keep sliding back. We should be constantly pushing ourselves to be better. Not just by trades, because like I said, our success depends primarily on Dwight's improvement. **** Paul if Dwight gets better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicLA 57 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by raf008: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by chosen12: quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: Ezzzp, you honestly think that team can contend with Orlando, Boston, and Miami....? You need to understand that team WILL not contend for a championship and that is why NY has to have something up their sleeve if they landed Paul....or Paul is just looking to be in the big apple and get some more fame and recognition/money. From the articles that we have heard he wants to play for a championship team. This is the logic that I hope Otis is approaching with!!!! New York City, on its own is a draw for anyone but if he really wants to win.....we get him!!! The last I heard it is NOLA that makes the trade, and not Paul. He might give his preferences but I'm pretty sure its NOLA management that will look for their best option not what team is the best chance for Paul to win a championship....look I want Paul in a Magic uniform too, I just can't see NOLA management taking a bullet for a player that is demanding to be traded and essentially screwing everyone over in their organization. That is a good point but from what i see all Knicks can do is cap space relief which is a good thing for NOH but at the end of the day they still have to sell tickets, Put butts in the seats Etc.....Knicks really don't have someone good enough to me but we can offer players with some talent and young guys in Gortat and/or Bass but then again it has to make sense business wise though so anything could happen http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...hine?tradeId=2cr3saw Not only do they get financial flexibility they get a bucket load of exciting young talent to sell a promising future to their fanbase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SolidSn/\ke007 61 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 Phuck man wish i could just hit fast forward to preseason so that this whole thing is over with cause we won't know anything until at least tuesday.....But i can already see the "insiders" or "sources" here getting ready to possibly get our hopes up even more before the weekend is up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chosen12 75 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by raf008: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by chosen12: quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: Ezzzp, you honestly think that team can contend with Orlando, Boston, and Miami....? You need to understand that team WILL not contend for a championship and that is why NY has to have something up their sleeve if they landed Paul....or Paul is just looking to be in the big apple and get some more fame and recognition/money. From the articles that we have heard he wants to play for a championship team. This is the logic that I hope Otis is approaching with!!!! New York City, on its own is a draw for anyone but if he really wants to win.....we get him!!! The last I heard it is NOLA that makes the trade, and not Paul. He might give his preferences but I'm pretty sure its NOLA management that will look for their best option not what team is the best chance for Paul to win a championship....look I want Paul in a Magic uniform too, I just can't see NOLA management taking a bullet for a player that is demanding to be traded and essentially screwing everyone over in their organization. That is a good point but from what i see all Knicks can do is cap space relief which is a good thing for NOH but at the end of the day they still have to sell tickets, Put butts in the seats Etc.....Knicks really don't have someone good enough to me but we can offer players with some talent and young guys in Gortat and/or Bass but then again it has to make sense business wise though so anything could happen Your point is well taken, we all understand that if it were up to Paul....he would have been gone 2 years ago. That point to be made is that he is sending a signal to a select few teams to make their run! Make an offer that NO can't or shouldn't refuse. Of course NO "will" do what's in their organizational best interest....but many players, and I think he is one of those who could reject a trade. Either way, he made us a player in this CP3 lottery! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThisIsTheYear 241 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Hell, the '08 Boston team had, in my mind, pretty weak role players, but they still won a title. The Heat's Big Three are MUCH better than Boston's. And their role players are still rounding out. They may be, but Allen, Pierce and Garnett complemented each other FAR better than James, Wade and Bosh do. They were really the perfect combination of SG, SF, and PF. You have Pierce, the dominant ball handler, the slasher who's also a very good shooter, Allen, the dead-eye shooter on the wings that doesn't command the ball, and KG, who was still a dominant defensive force, while also provides great passing and efficient scoring. The Heat, by contrast, have two ball dominant wings who aren't particularly great shooters. They're greater at attacking the rim, but they'll need some serious outside shooting to compliment all that slashing. You can claim they're better individual players, but I think it's silly to claim outright that they'll be in sync like Allen, Pierce, and Garnett were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMP 424 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by raf008: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by chosen12: quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: Ezzzp, you honestly think that team can contend with Orlando, Boston, and Miami....? You need to understand that team WILL not contend for a championship and that is why NY has to have something up their sleeve if they landed Paul....or Paul is just looking to be in the big apple and get some more fame and recognition/money. From the articles that we have heard he wants to play for a championship team. This is the logic that I hope Otis is approaching with!!!! New York City, on its own is a draw for anyone but if he really wants to win.....we get him!!! The last I heard it is NOLA that makes the trade, and not Paul. He might give his preferences but I'm pretty sure its NOLA management that will look for their best option not what team is the best chance for Paul to win a championship....look I want Paul in a Magic uniform too, I just can't see NOLA management taking a bullet for a player that is demanding to be traded and essentially screwing everyone over in their organization. That is a good point but from what i see all Knicks can do is cap space relief which is a good thing for NOH but at the end of the day they still have to sell tickets, Put butts in the seats Etc.....Knicks really don't have someone good enough to me but we can offer players with some talent and young guys in Gortat and/or Bass but then again it has to make sense business wise though so anything could happen http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...hine?tradeId=2cr3saw Not only do they get financial flexibility they get a bucket load of exciting young talent to sell a promising future to their fanbase. What's exactly the point of "young talent" if it's expiring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharp/7/shooter 23 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 Guys, I've officially came down from the high I had this morning when I heard the news about Paul. Man I wasn't thinking straight haha. With that aside, we'd need to sell CP3 that we are championship bound if he decides to play here. The top 5 probable teams that analysts are throwing around now are the Knicks, our Magic, the Mavs, the Blazers, and the Lakers. Out of those 5, my best guess would be the Knicks, Magic and Lakers would appeal most to him. NY for obvious reasons, our Magic because of our trade assets and we can contend for a ring, and also the Lakers because they are the reigning NBA champions. On the news front, Demps and NO management are meeting with Paul. Where's Ari Gold when you need him? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...n.hornets.paul.0134/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicLA 57 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by raf008: quote: Originally posted by ezzzp: quote: Originally posted by chosen12: quote: Originally posted by MagicDelight: Ezzzp, you honestly think that team can contend with Orlando, Boston, and Miami....? You need to understand that team WILL not contend for a championship and that is why NY has to have something up their sleeve if they landed Paul....or Paul is just looking to be in the big apple and get some more fame and recognition/money. From the articles that we have heard he wants to play for a championship team. This is the logic that I hope Otis is approaching with!!!! New York City, on its own is a draw for anyone but if he really wants to win.....we get him!!! The last I heard it is NOLA that makes the trade, and not Paul. He might give his preferences but I'm pretty sure its NOLA management that will look for their best option not what team is the best chance for Paul to win a championship....look I want Paul in a Magic uniform too, I just can't see NOLA management taking a bullet for a player that is demanding to be traded and essentially screwing everyone over in their organization. That is a good point but from what i see all Knicks can do is cap space relief which is a good thing for NOH but at the end of the day they still have to sell tickets, Put butts in the seats Etc.....Knicks really don't have someone good enough to me but we can offer players with some talent and young guys in Gortat and/or Bass but then again it has to make sense business wise though so anything could happen http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...hine?tradeId=2cr3saw Not only do they get financial flexibility they get a bucket load of exciting young talent to sell a promising future to their fanbase. What's exactly the point of "young talent" if it's expiring? flexibility...they can release it, trade it or hold on to it as just about every single one of the contracts has 1-2 additional years as TEAM option including 2 w/ bird rights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Give Me Redick All Day 109 Report post Posted July 22, 2010 quote: Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear: quote: Originally posted by Give Me Redick All Hell, the '08 Boston team had, in my mind, pretty weak role players, but they still won a title. The Heat's Big Three are MUCH better than Boston's. And their role players are still rounding out. They may be, but Allen, Pierce and Garnett complemented each other FAR better than James, Wade and Bosh do. They were really the perfect combination of SG, SF, and PF. You have Pierce, the dominant ball handler, the slasher who's also a very good shooter, Allen, the dead-eye shooter on the wings that doesn't command the ball, and KG, who was still a dominant defensive force, while also provides great passing and efficient scoring. The Heat, by contrast, have two ball dominant wings who aren't particularly great shooters. They're greater at attacking the rim, but they'll need some serious outside shooting to compliment all that slashing. You can claim they're better individual players, but I think it's silly to claim outright that they'll be in sync like Allen, Pierce, and Garnett were. I bring you down here to defend me against these characters, and the only one I got on my side is the blood-sucking lawyer. But like I said, time will tell. I'm sure three of the best in the league today will make it work. And last I checked, Wade was pretty decent from the outside... maybe not light's out, but he does make big shots. I don't know. Like I said, we'll see how it shakes out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
