VC reborn

[Capo d'Orlando 85]

I think he showed up just fine in some of the Boston games when guys like Dwight and Jameer didn't. I really hope we keep him (though I'd rather have CP3 of course) and if he sucks by January like he did last season, than we should be able to find a team that wants an expiring like his before the trade deadline.

 

The problem w/our team was that we hadn't been challenged yet, not necessarily that we weren't motivated. We had the easy road to the ECF and by the time we got our stuff together, it was too late and the odds too insurmountable.

[BMP 424]

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Originally posted by OrlandoNKentucky:

Is there any chance that Vince Carter hears what everyone is saying (not just on this board but in other places) about how he is one of the big reasons the Magic didn't win against Boston - do you think he hears that and that motivates him and he has an all-star caliber year next year? Or do you think he is done?

 

I think unlike his cousin, he is still a valuable asset to a team. I am just as upset as everyone else that we couldn't get back to the NBA finals, but I still think that VC is good for this team and that we should focus on getting a solid PF instead of somewhere to move VC to.

 

Any thoughts on this?

 

of course he can, and along with everybody else that failed in the ecf. i love d howard but he stalled the offense in at least 4 of the games, jameer was scoring in some of the games, but his pg skills were absent, in many games. rashard!!!!! well he was sick. barnes,,,,, well i dont know what happened. so i dont listen to what the so called experts say. boston also played great defense on kobe bryant and he shot 40 per. for the whole series against them. had it not been for the other lakers, they would be home blaming someone right now. of course not kobe though. boston doubled vince, and like in any other game he threw the ball to the corners, but our three point game was off.[everybodys] but nobody wants to admit that. boston outplayed us. it wasnt vinces fault when boston would go up by 14. in game 6 the do or die game, he led a comeback, but where was everybody else. next year if they all come back, they will be focused, and if they sweep teams again, i think they will find a way to keep their mental focus.

 

 

So, let me get this straight:

 

 

 

Howard "stalled the offense" by shooting over 60% and scoring 25+ points a game in the last 4 games (well, for those numbers the last 3 games).

 

Jameer's PG skills were "absent" even though he was the only one attempting to create for others.

 

Rashard was sick... but still kept KG in check and they canceled each other out.

 

 

And here comes the biggest farce: Boston doubled Vince!!! Except, you know, they didn't. Wince would take nearly 10 seconds to get himself open for the ball to start a play, attempt a pick and roll where he couldn't turn the corner on KG because KG was quicker and would end up either throwing up a bad shot or trying to get another teammate to bail him out.

 

 

I love how say everybody did something wrong except for Vince. Vince was doubled!!! Vince passed but no one scored!!! Vince led a comeback!! (WHAT?! you mean when he pretended to get hurt at the end of the game... AGAIN??)

 

 

 

Oh, and had the Lakers lost, it would have definitely been Kobe's fault.

[30Assists 342]

I feel bad harping on the guy because, as a person, I like him. His play through the regular season (the second half, anyways) is a big reason we made it as deep as we did.

 

But he faded out in the game we needed him most. We needed him shooting into the paint, drawing fouls, kicking the ball out.

 

Instead, that all fell on 'Meer, and VC largely disappeared. He had a couple good games in that series, but we needed him to be THE MAN.

 

The search continues. Too bad - I was pulling for him.

[Secretly Space Jesus 670]

Given that there were only 6 games in the series, in order for Dwight to have stalled the offense in 4 of the games, he'd have to have stalled the offense in at least two of the following situations.

 

30pts on 9/13 from the field, 12/17 from the line.

 

32pts on 13/19 from the field, 6/14 from the line.

 

21pts on 7/12 from the field, 7/12 from the line.

 

28pts on 11/17 from the field, 6/12 from the line.

 

So which two games out of that four did Dwight stall the offense?

[jec 427]

To the original question: I think he might be done. He relied a lot on athleticism throughout his career,(and with his talents, who wouldn't?) and you can tell he is sluggish on both ends of the floor and tends to end up taking some of the most ridiculous shots you can imagine. I don't know where he came up with this fade away layup, but he needs to kill that ****, and fast.

 

Maybe he can shock us all, bust his *** this summer, be more comfortable with the system and have a tremendous comeback year. I'd rather conVINCE (lol) another team he'll be doing that, or at least dangle a sweet expiring contract in their faces, and get something else for him. Then again, I wouldn't be upset to see him back next year. I'll just have much lower expectations than last fall.

[Die Mannschaft 45]

Someone is in denial

[UBBALLER8 248]

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No and when he leaves this board will be a better place.

[VCdaCarter 73]

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That was his big chance

I was watching the celtics/heat playoff playback recently, in the final min and a half ray allen missed 3 free throws in a row and kevin garnett missed 2 straight...of course they lost the game.

[Captain Hindsight 50]

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That was his big chance

I was watching the celtics/heat playoff playback recently, in the final min and a half ray allen missed 3 free throws in a row and kevin garnett missed 2 straight...of course they lost the game.

 

what do allen & garnett have to do with vince being vince?

[UBBALLER8 248]

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That was his big chance

I was watching the celtics/heat playoff playback recently, in the final min and a half ray allen missed 3 free throws in a row and kevin garnett missed 2 straight...of course they lost the game.

 

what do allen & garnett have to do with vince being vince?

 

SHH... MUST. DEFLECT. BLAME. SOMEHOW.

[Mat 4]

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That was his big chance

I was watching the celtics/heat playoff playback recently, in the final min and a half ray allen missed 3 free throws in a row and kevin garnett missed 2 straight...of course they lost the game.

 

what do allen & garnett have to do with vince being vince?

 

He has to talk about other payers because he can't justify Vince failing catastroficaly. another VC homer comment. no surprises.

[PNuT1423 0]

compared to the finals team of 2009, we got older and slower at the position, we went from a one/two punch of clee and peitrus to vince and jj, to which jj did step his game up, but when it comes to defensive intensity and quickness it went down some.

 

i personally think we need to get younger at that position, even it if means losing out on experience by going with a corey brewer, cdr, or even back to clee type player. our opponents 2 guards went from hating to playing the magic at that position clee/peitrus/(a little bogans)/jj to basically having an easier time, vince/jj/peitrus at the most.

 

the position needs to be infused with youth again. i like vince, he's a nice guy, but he isn't getting any younger, and he doesn't seem to be getting mentally into the games like a clee or even a barnes did for us, not for the full 45 either way.