MilitaryMagic 0 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by MilitaryMagic: quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: quote: Originally posted by TheRevTy: quote: Originally posted by MilitaryMagic: quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Yep, The Spurs played a lot of stretch four with Horry out on the floor and won four championships that way. The Rockets had 4 shooters surrounding Hakeem and won two titles that way. Spurs traditionally started 2 bigs (Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Rasho, Duncan/Nazr, Duncan/Oberto/Elson. Then fell in love with Horry and have been trying miserably to recreate that. Now they have Bonner....... Case in point. The system works when you've got the right guy for the job. Too bad that guy is Robert Horry 10/10 times. What in the blue world did Horry do so well? HIT BIG SHOTS OF COURSE. HALL OF FAMER. He had a wicked sweet semi-afro hairdo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jareth Cutestory 678 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 When I was really young, like maybe 6 or 7, I thought Alonzo Mourning and Robert Horry were either the same guy or twin brothers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Live or Die Magic: quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:what we need is a time machine. Go back to 1997-1998. Grab Donyell Marshall. Mark it down folks. It will be the only time you ever see this name mentioned here again. Meh...Donyell Marshall was just a poor man's Rodney Rogers. WOAH!!! dude put up 14 and 10 in 99-00. Stud IMO. A whole lot better than that shard character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drain-O 369 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 The stretch 4 is not really the problem. Rashard just met his two matches. The flu and Kevin Garnett. It could be argued that Mr. Lewis was our most consistent player in the playoffs the last 3 years before this Boston series so I do not see how he is the problem. I thought about this and originally thought we needed some rugged power forward to play next to Dwight but the more I have thought about it we need a dynamic wing player who can get points whenever he wants. Heck once Jameer got going we were fine and a lot of the shots missed in Game 6 were the same ones that the team hit in Games 4 and 5. I guess what I am trying to say is we need Turk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Yep, The Spurs played a lot of stretch four with Horry out on the floor and won four championships that way. The Rockets had 4 shooters surrounding Hakeem and won two titles that way. Spurs traditionally started 2 bigs (Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Rasho, Duncan/Nazr, Duncan/Oberto/Elson. Then fell in love with Horry and have been trying miserably to recreate that. Now they have Bonner....... They may start two bigs, but they rarely play starters minutes. in 2008-2009 matt Bonner started 67 games but only played 23.8 minutes 07-08 oberto started 64 games but only played 20.1 minutes per 06-07 elson started 42 games and oberto started 33. they only played 19 and 17 minutes respectively 05-06 Mohammed and Nesterovic started 30 and 51 games. They played 17 and 18.9 minutes 04-05 Nesterovic started 70 games. only played 25.5 minutes per. 03-04 Nesterovic played 28.7 mpg started every game. Then we get into the David Robinson years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MP_20 2 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Yep, The Spurs played a lot of stretch four with Horry out on the floor and won four championships that way. The Rockets had 4 shooters surrounding Hakeem and won two titles that way. Spurs traditionally started 2 bigs (Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Rasho, Duncan/Nazr, Duncan/Oberto/Elson. Then fell in love with Horry and have been trying miserably to recreate that. Now they have Bonner....... They may start two bigs, but they rarely play starters minutes. in 2008-2009 matt Bonner started 67 games but only played 23.8 minutes 07-08 oberto started 64 games but only played 20.1 minutes per 06-07 elson started 42 games and oberto started 33. they only played 19 and 17 minutes respectively 05-06 Mohammed and Nesterovic started 30 and 51 games. They played 17 and 18.9 minutes 04-05 Nesterovic started 70 games. only played 25.5 minutes per. 03-04 Nesterovic played 28.7 mpg started every game. Then we get into the David Robinson years Not sure what constitute starter minutes. Regardless of their PT, it didn't leave Horry with much. He never played more than 19per. Similar to Ferry before him. It's the philosophy more than anything. Sure there was a lot of bigs shuffling but their success came when 2 started. Their thought was to start two bigs for defensive purposes, force teams into shooting jumpers, which allowed their offense to get started. Now it's turned to how do you stop a run-away train. Point being, the stretch was situational, and Horry spoiled them. As of last year you started to see Bonner and they were never right until he went to the bench and started McDyess. Last year's showing was partly the reasoning behind getting Tony and Theo. Same gripes here: need muscle, need rebounding, Duncan can't do it by himself. It's not a Lewis issue, I think it's more/less how you utilize him throughout the course of a game. And being able to move him around on the court to keep the defense honest. imo Lewis has those skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
My 6th Rebuild 6 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 96 - 98 Bulls won with a stretch 4: G Harper/Kerr G MJ SF Pippen Stretch 4 Kukoc C Rodman I don't think having the stretch 4 was the problem, IMO it was Carter choking. He was brought in to get us points when the team needed it most and be the go-to guy in the 4rth. He failed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KillingInTheNameOf 63 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Yep, The Spurs played a lot of stretch four with Horry out on the floor and won four championships that way. The Rockets had 4 shooters surrounding Hakeem and won two titles that way. Spurs traditionally started 2 bigs (Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Rasho, Duncan/Nazr, Duncan/Oberto/Elson. Then fell in love with Horry and have been trying miserably to recreate that. Now they have Bonner....... They may start two bigs, but they rarely play starters minutes. in 2008-2009 matt Bonner started 67 games but only played 23.8 minutes 07-08 oberto started 64 games but only played 20.1 minutes per 06-07 elson started 42 games and oberto started 33. they only played 19 and 17 minutes respectively 05-06 Mohammed and Nesterovic started 30 and 51 games. They played 17 and 18.9 minutes 04-05 Nesterovic started 70 games. only played 25.5 minutes per. 03-04 Nesterovic played 28.7 mpg started every game. Then we get into the David Robinson years The point you're making & missing is that San Antiono in their dynasty years had legitimate versatility to play big and small and played big more than small. Same with the Lakers, same with the Rockets, & while Sheed may have been a perimeter player offensively, he was a legitimate interior defender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MilitaryMagic 0 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by MagicAtic:96 - 98 Bulls won with a stretch 4: G Harper/Kerr G MJ SF Pippen Stretch 4 Kukoc C Rodman I don't think having the stretch 4 was the problem, IMO it was Carter choking. He was brought in to get us points when the team needed it most and be the go-to guy in the 4rth. He failed. Luc Longley says "Hello, mate!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Live or Die Magic 383 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Live or Die Magic: quote: Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin:what we need is a time machine. Go back to 1997-1998. Grab Donyell Marshall. Mark it down folks. It will be the only time you ever see this name mentioned here again. Meh...Donyell Marshall was just a poor man's Rodney Rogers. WOAH!!! dude put up 14 and 10 in 99-00. Stud IMO. A whole lot better than that shard character. Sad joke making guy is sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 quote: Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf: quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by ButterMilkPancakes:Yep, The Spurs played a lot of stretch four with Horry out on the floor and won four championships that way. The Rockets had 4 shooters surrounding Hakeem and won two titles that way. Spurs traditionally started 2 bigs (Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/Rasho, Duncan/Nazr, Duncan/Oberto/Elson. Then fell in love with Horry and have been trying miserably to recreate that. Now they have Bonner....... They may start two bigs, but they rarely play starters minutes. in 2008-2009 matt Bonner started 67 games but only played 23.8 minutes 07-08 oberto started 64 games but only played 20.1 minutes per 06-07 elson started 42 games and oberto started 33. they only played 19 and 17 minutes respectively 05-06 Mohammed and Nesterovic started 30 and 51 games. They played 17 and 18.9 minutes 04-05 Nesterovic started 70 games. only played 25.5 minutes per. 03-04 Nesterovic played 28.7 mpg started every game. Then we get into the David Robinson years The point you're making & missing is that San Antiono in their dynasty years had legitimate versatility to play big and small and played big more than small. Same with the Lakers, same with the Rockets, & while Sheed may have been a perimeter player offensively, he was a legitimate interior defender. No, you missed my point which was dont consider the spurs starters actual starters because they aren't usually part of the best 5 guys on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Debonair 106 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 nope. gotta have someone in the front court with dwight. he's not as skilled offensively to do it himself in the post (like hakeem and shaq). plus the magic aren't a good offensive rebounding team. having 4 perimeter players ain't gonna cut it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
