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[God hates Magic fans 0]

Some magic fans are real idiots.

[Mr Charisma 0]

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Originally posted by God hates Magic fans:

Some magic fans are real idiots.

And the rest of us are fake idiots...

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

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Originally posted by echo4papa:

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Drawbacks

 

Though Turkoglu remains productive his production did drop this year. His field goal percentage went from 45.6% to 41.3%. His three-point shooting dropped 44 points. His points per game dropped 2.7. His effective field goal percentage dropped 46 points and his true shooting percentage dropped 35. His PER went down three points even. It's not like you're catching him peaking. The Blazers' current offense will do one thing for him: give him a steady diet of completely open three-point shots. While he should feast on those, you're not exactly maximizing his skills with that system. In order to do that you have to move him around and give him the ball. Even with his assist number hovering around 5 per game I'm not sure you want another guy to give the ball to, especially if you're bringing in a new point guard as well.

 

Turkoglu draws fouls, which is a huge plus, but he's not a huge threat off the dribble. 80% of his shots are jumpers. His effective field goal percentage off of those last season was 35.6%. That's not great. Nicolas Batum has a good chance of being twice the penetration threat within two years while being able to post comparable three-point percentages. Martell Webster can do the three-point part right now.

 

Turkoglu averaged 3 turnovers per game two years ago and 2.6 this year. The Blazers don't want miscues from their small forward position.

 

 

 

From Dave at The Blazer's Edge. His high points for Hedo are in the link, as well as the rest of his thoughts.

 

Other than that is he exactly like Lebron.

 

That has to be the most absurd thing I've ever read on the internet. Finish at the rim? Shouldn't these guys be required to watch games in order to comment on players?

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

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Originally posted by echo4papa:

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Drawbacks

 

Though Turkoglu remains productive his production did drop this year. His field goal percentage went from 45.6% to 41.3%. His three-point shooting dropped 44 points. His points per game dropped 2.7. His effective field goal percentage dropped 46 points and his true shooting percentage dropped 35. His PER went down three points even. It's not like you're catching him peaking. The Blazers' current offense will do one thing for him: give him a steady diet of completely open three-point shots. While he should feast on those, you're not exactly maximizing his skills with that system. In order to do that you have to move him around and give him the ball. Even with his assist number hovering around 5 per game I'm not sure you want another guy to give the ball to, especially if you're bringing in a new point guard as well.

 

Turkoglu draws fouls, which is a huge plus, but he's not a huge threat off the dribble. 80% of his shots are jumpers. His effective field goal percentage off of those last season was 35.6%. That's not great. Nicolas Batum has a good chance of being twice the penetration threat within two years while being able to post comparable three-point percentages. Martell Webster can do the three-point part right now.

 

Turkoglu averaged 3 turnovers per game two years ago and 2.6 this year. The Blazers don't want miscues from their small forward position.

 

 

 

From Dave at The Blazer's Edge. His high points for Hedo are in the link, as well as the rest of his thoughts.

 

Other than that is he exactly like Lebron.

 

That has to be the most absurd thing I've ever read on the internet. Finish at the rim? Shouldn't these guys be required to watch games in order to comment on players?

 

How many times have I complained at a game that I cringe every time Hedo goes up for a layup because he has such a hard time finishing at the rim?

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

Every game. He never tries to finish at the rim, it's either flailing hoping for a call or throwing it up hoping Dwight grabs it. I feel safer with that fall away he does from the side at 15 than a layup.

[ball junkie 277]

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Originally posted by ball junkie:

This is not an insider piece...I know a lot of you love and respect David Thorpe of ESPN...since we are talking about Turk here thought some of you would be interested in his comments about Hedo:

 

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King of the Pick and Roll

 

"Hedo Turkoglu is the best pick and roll small forward in the league, after LeBron James," says Thorpe. "So the conversation starts there. His ability to handle, penetrate, shoot, change speeds, be crafty and unpredictable -- all with excellent size and length -- that's a killer combination."

 

Thorpe cautions, however, that he does not believe Turkoglu would thrive in any system. "He's a little bit like Lamar Odom. The game comes so easy to him, and he's so talented, that sometimes he loses focus. Stan Van Gundy handled that really well. He was very smart. He ran a ton of side pick and rolls for Turkoglu, which forced him to lock in. People criticized Van Gundy for that, saying he should have gotten the ball to Dwight Howard more ... but a lot of those side pick and rolls ended in dunks for Dwight Howard. If you just stuck him on a team as complimentary player, and expect him to hit some open shots, then I don't think he would be nearly as productive. But when you keep Turkoglu engaged, he's a very special small forward.

 

"Turkoglu may have been the third or fourth best player on the Magic this season. But he played better than that, because of how the team forced him to be playmaker, which is what he does best. Now, his sense of urgency still wavered some. But in the playoffs, his focus was just about always there, and that's a huge part of the reason the Magic made it so far."

 

As a defender, Thorpe says Turkoglu is underrated. "He has length and feel. He's a coordinated athlete. He's also really tall and long. I don't think of him as winning the battle on grit, but it's not like there are a lot of times you watch a Magic game and think Turkoglu's getting killed! When he's engaged, I'd certainly say he's a net positive for your defense.

 

Probably won't happen now but I'd love to have Hedo back...

 

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/tru...-in-Free-Agency.html

 

 

Such a well-written post by such a respected writer...I thought I'd give it a bump.

[Skywise316 211]

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

Every game. He never tries to finish at the rim, it's either flailing hoping for a call or throwing it up hoping Dwight grabs it. I feel safer with that fall away he does from the side at 15 than a layup.

 

LOL that's dead honest truth right there.

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

But he played better than that, because of how the team forced him to be playmaker, which is what he does best. Now, his sense of urgency still wavered some. But in the playoffs, his focus was just about always there, and that's a huge part of the reason the Magic made it so far."

 

I agree with what Thorpe is saying, the problem is that in order for him to be at his best you have to give him those responsibilites and that is dangerous to give a guy who has poor decision making. Outside of game 7 in Boston on till game 5 in the finals he was every bit as dangerous to this team as he was to other teams.

 

We and the media talks about how our offense had to have ball movement in order to work, well when did that ball movement die during the regular season? In the 4th when we gave him the ball and said do your thing. The beginning of the year Jameer was there to keep this from happening but once he wasn't forget it.

 

I think Turk did a great job for that streatch in our finals run but I'm more inclined to believe a guy with a fresh long term contract is going to do what he wants and not so much what is needed of him.

[ball junkie 277]

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

But he played better than that, because of how the team forced him to be playmaker, which is what he does best. Now, his sense of urgency still wavered some. But in the playoffs, his focus was just about always there, and that's a huge part of the reason the Magic made it so far."

 

I agree with what Thorpe is saying, the problem is that in order for him to be at his best you have to give him those responsibilites and that is dangerous to give a guy who has poor decision making. Outside of game 7 in Boston on till game 5 in the finals he was every bit as dangerous to this team as he was to other teams.

 

We and the media talks about how our offense had to have ball movement in order to work, well when did that ball movement die during the regular season? In the 4th when we gave him the ball and said do your thing. The beginning of the year Jameer was there to keep this from happening but once he wasn't forget it.

 

I think Turk did a great job for that streatch in our finals run but I'm more inclined to believe a guy with a fresh long term contract is going to do what he wants and not so much what is needed of him.

 

Fair enough...if we can get him at a bargain rate...which is still possible, albeit slim...I'd welcome him back...

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

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Originally posted by ball junkie:

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Originally posted by Marc Acres 3:16:

But he played better than that, because of how the team forced him to be playmaker, which is what he does best. Now, his sense of urgency still wavered some. But in the playoffs, his focus was just about always there, and that's a huge part of the reason the Magic made it so far."

 

I agree with what Thorpe is saying, the problem is that in order for him to be at his best you have to give him those responsibilites and that is dangerous to give a guy who has poor decision making. Outside of game 7 in Boston on till game 5 in the finals he was every bit as dangerous to this team as he was to other teams.

 

We and the media talks about how our offense had to have ball movement in order to work, well when did that ball movement die during the regular season? In the 4th when we gave him the ball and said do your thing. The beginning of the year Jameer was there to keep this from happening but once he wasn't forget it.

 

I think Turk did a great job for that streatch in our finals run but I'm more inclined to believe a guy with a fresh long term contract is going to do what he wants and not so much what is needed of him.

 

Fair enough...if we can get him at a bargain rate...which is still possible, albeit slim...I'd welcome him back...

 

Unless he is willing to come off the bench I think it would be a dissaster. If he want's to do that at a reasonable rate that is cool but I don't think he has that mindset. He wants the money now and I don't really blame him for that but he should also prepare for being a good player on an average team if he is going to Tor.

[Soul Bro 1,422]

As I've stated before, I would like to see Turk off the bench in a scoring and playmaking role for the Magic.

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

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Originally posted by Soul Bro:

As I've stated before, I would like to see Turk off the bench in a scoring and playmaking role for the Magic.

 

Can you see him going for that?