"Rumor" from Raptors RealGM board. {Turk related} - from 5/10/09

[MagicFanBen 0]

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

You still would have to prove it and you would have to prove a contract of some kind was discussed. Nothing wrong with saying hi to another player from another team. BC probably just got a good feeling off him. For example he could have said..."Hey Hedo you know you made me look bad with the Suns when you backed out of our deal to sign with Orlando." Hedo could have responded something like, "I'll make it up to you this offseason."

 

So you never know and you can't prove anything. I am happy for Hedo. we can move on and not worry about a 5th year hanging out there where we cannot sign a player to fit next to Dwight like Josh Smith in 4 years. Just go look at the players available in 4 years. Two pop right out in Andre Igoudala and Josh Smith. Neither have options on their contract, they just end there. In 5 years Howard will be the only one under contract once we re-up him in 3 years. Lewis and Nelson both in their mid to late thirties and should sign for a bargain contract. Then we have 35+ million to sign 1-2 guys. CP3 has a player option that year and Darren Williams might be available too. It makes a ton of sense not to lock up ANY player not named Dwight for the 2013 season. You have 4 top guys potentially and you never know what Gem might turn up from second round picks that you do not see at this time, who would be a free agent that summer.

 

As a GM you have to plan that far ahead when you have a franchise player like Howard. He will be just hitting his prime then and you want to make sure you can surround him with the best possible talent.

 

EDIT: One thing I would add about Carter is if he works out well for us, he is a prime candidate to sing a cheap deal after his contract expires just so he can stay in Orlando. Just another reason to keep Carter over Hedo.

 

Heck if Hedo is willing to go to Canada for $8 million more than what we offered he was about the money. I broke it down financially. BC offered him $53 million to Portland's $50 million because in Canada you have to pay a medical tax because everyone gets free health care. That will cost Hedo that $3 million more over the life of his contracts. That was the basic difference in the two contracts. So the offer from Portland and Toronto was about even.

 

But if you compare the Portland/Toronto offer to Orlando's it is even more different. Orlando offered $45 million. The equivalent of a $48 million deal in Oregon due to state taxes or a $49.1 million contract in Toronto if you factor out the medical taxes.

 

The offers actually equate this way.

Toronto 5 years $49.1 million

Portland 5 years $48 million

Orlando 5 years $45 million

 

That is what he was offered after you take out the state and medical taxes out of the Portland and Toronto deals. those deals are based on paying FED income tax only. Hedo left for $4.1 million difference.

[Nyce_1 311]

quote:

Originally posted by ThuglifeJ:

wow Turk was completely tampering. I believe that now after what happened lol.

 

Mabye Otis new it all along, thats y he wanted to sign VC so quickly, aside from Vince being an incredible player.

 

but seriously...u guys were accepting the lineup

Nelson

Lee

Shard

Marion

Dwight

 

but now some arent accepting

Nelson

Vince

Shard

?

Dwight

LOL, so true. I know I'm one of them. I guess losing in the finals, you see what your team needs. Watching Pau & Odom kill us leaves me to believe they'd do the same over Marion.

[magicfreak#1 0]

Eat Crow, Crow Eaters!!!! @#$!#%%!!

[Skywise316 211]

Lemme check...

 

Yeah I *still* don't want Shawn Marion.

[magicfan83 23]

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

CP3 has a player option that year and Darren Williams might be available too. It makes a ton of sense not to lock up ANY player not named Dwight for the 2013 season. You have 4 top guys potentially and you never know what Gem might turn up from second round picks that you do not see at this time, who would be a free agent that summer.

 

As a GM you have to plan that far ahead when you have a franchise player like Howard. He will be just hitting his prime then and you want to make sure you can surround him with the best possible talent.

 

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

[jec 427]

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

CP3 has a player option that year and Darren Williams might be available too. It makes a ton of sense not to lock up ANY player not named Dwight for the 2013 season. You have 4 top guys potentially and you never know what Gem might turn up from second round picks that you do not see at this time, who would be a free agent that summer.

 

As a GM you have to plan that far ahead when you have a franchise player like Howard. He will be just hitting his prime then and you want to make sure you can surround him with the best possible talent.

 

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Why are you so hell bent on having poopy pants?

[CaliMagicFan 0]

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Because that's less than crappy backup centers make, much less very, very good backup centers that may or may not be able to slide over to the 4.

[MagicFanBen 0]

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

CP3 has a player option that year and Darren Williams might be available too. It makes a ton of sense not to lock up ANY player not named Dwight for the 2013 season. You have 4 top guys potentially and you never know what Gem might turn up from second round picks that you do not see at this time, who would be a free agent that summer.

 

As a GM you have to plan that far ahead when you have a franchise player like Howard. He will be just hitting his prime then and you want to make sure you can surround him with the best possible talent.

 

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Because That is NOT the type of deal you cannot trade. Gortat is young and will prove worth it. Whereas with Turk, you have the problem of his age at the end of that deal and no team in their right mind would take that off the Magic's hand. Gortat will be 28, Turk will be 35. Gortat entering his prime, Hedo wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of his prime.

 

Gortat is a center and would be a low paid center by today standards and probably an even better deal in 5 years. Hedo is a wing man that would be over paid by today's standards and definitely by the standards in 5 years.

 

Hedo will be like Walls Szczerbiak at the end of his last 3 years when he could not put up decent numbers to save his life or play any defense. Gortat will still be a rebound and blocking machine minimum.

 

Hedo will still be a 6'10 wing man losing strength. Gortat is a man bear that will be the size of the incredible hulk by then .

[MagicFanBen 0]

quote:

Originally posted by CaliMagicFan:

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Because that's less than crappy backup centers make, much less very, very good backup centers that may or may not be able to slide over to the 4.

 

Uh...well I can kind of understand what you are trying to say teh....

[Mastermind 0]

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by CaliMagicFan:

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Because that's less than crappy backup centers make, much less very, very good backup centers that may or may not be able to slide over to the 4.

 

Uh...well I can kind of understand what you are trying to say teh....

 

But most backup centers play 17-20 min. per game. We have the unique situation of having the man-child D. Howard who only needs his backup to play 7-10 min. a night. So we just need a filler to play 4-5 minutes per half.

[magicfan83 23]

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by magicfan83:

quote:

Originally posted by MagicFanBen:

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

CP3 has a player option that year and Darren Williams might be available too. It makes a ton of sense not to lock up ANY player not named Dwight for the 2013 season. You have 4 top guys potentially and you never know what Gem might turn up from second round picks that you do not see at this time, who would be a free agent that summer.

 

As a GM you have to plan that far ahead when you have a franchise player like Howard. He will be just hitting his prime then and you want to make sure you can surround him with the best possible talent.

 

Then why are you so hell bent on paying a back up center 5yrs/35 million?

 

Because That is NOT the type of deal you cannot trade. Gortat is young and will prove worth it. Whereas with Turk, you have the problem of his age at the end of that deal and no team in their right mind would take that off the Magic's hand. Gortat will be 28, Turk will be 35. Gortat entering his prime, Hedo wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of his prime.

 

Gortat is a center and would be a low paid center by today standards and probably an even better deal in 5 years. Hedo is a wing man that would be over paid by today's standards and definitely by the standards in 5 years.

 

Hedo will be like Walls Szczerbiak at the end of his last 3 years when he could not put up decent numbers to save his life or play any defense. Gortat will still be a rebound and blocking machine minimum.

 

Hedo will still be a 6'10 wing man losing strength. Gortat is a man bear that will be the size of the incredible hulk by then .

 

Hedo is a bad contract, I'm not arguing with that point at all. But going by what you said, Sheed at the full MLE for 2 years makes much more financial sense and he's a more complete player.

 

Now that Sheed is going to Boston, you HAVE to retain Gortat IMO.

[deadman54 7]

quote:

Originally posted by Peter Griffin:

Is there a rule against tampering in the NBA?

 

If so...and if this is true...

 

not acording to the refs that control magic playoff games

 

oh no wait that is screwing not tampering my bad