DarkoHero

quote: Originally posted by Kramer: quote: Originally posted by SmackDaddy:It's very difficult to say very simply that the Pistons got Stuckey and we only have Carlos left. Carlos Arroyo & Darko for the 15th pick and Kelvin Cato shook out like this. With the 15th pick Detroit selected Stuckey. We know that. What isn't ever mentioned is the ability to draft Nick Young, Sean Williams, Javaris Crittenton, Rudy Fernandez, etc that the Magic would have had. Also, with the expiring contract of Kelvin Cato, the Pistons signed Nazr Mahommed. With Nazr Mohammed, the Pistons traded to get Primo Brezec and Walter Herman. Then they traded Brezec to get Juan Dixon. The Magic picked up Darko and Arroyo in that original trade. We lost Darko to free agency. But it's not enough to say that his salary cap space allowed the mAgic to sign Rashard. The expiration of G Hill's contract in conjunction with the expiring contract of Penny Hardaway was more than enough for the magic to afford Rashard. Darko's contract coming off the books allowed the Magic to overpay Shard. And now at the end of this season, we will likely let Arroyo walk. So in the trade with Detroit, they are left with Stuckey, Herman & Dixon (who both have expiring contracts) currently. We are left with a few extra million tacked onto Rashard's contract and that is it. I think that you went too far. Do you feel that the combination of Herrman and Stuckey are better than Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, or Carmello Anthony? Yeah, me neither, Pistons wasted a 2nd overall pick and ultiamtely got Stuckey... Jury's still out on Stuckey. Wait 2 more years and see what he becomes before passing judgment. I think this kid has what it takes to be a HOFer.

quote: Originally posted by DustinMyselfOff: quote: Originally posted by DarkoHero:I'm tired to the players saying they were the better team. They were/are not. They lost 4 out of 5 games! To add insult to injury, the Pistons were w/o their best player and pg.! Dwight, NEWSFLASH!!!!!! The better team does not make mental mistakes! The better team does not let games "slip from them"!!!! The better team executes their game plan!!!! It is time that the players and the fans realize that Detroit is the better team. If the players do not want a repeat next year, they'd better become better players and better teammates! Stop the talk and start backing it up! I believe the Magic will win a ring or two, but they did not earn it this year. Potential does not win games now. They obviously mean they feel that they beat themselves and SHOULD have won. They're trying to say physically (and talent wise) they think they're better but made mental mistakes. Not the best choice of words I agree but I like that they have a little chip on their shoulders. I hope that the little chip on their shoulders motivates them to improve their game. I hope it does not feed them excuses that will carry over to next year. This team is going to have to stay hungry this off season and work hard.

I'm tired to the players saying they were the better team. They were/are not. They lost 4 out of 5 games! To add insult to injury, the Pistons were w/o their best player and pg.! Dwight, NEWSFLASH!!!!!! The better team does not make mental mistakes! The better team does not let games "slip from them"!!!! The better team executes their game plan!!!! It is time that the players and the fans realize that Detroit is the better team. If the players do not want a repeat next year, they'd better become better players and better teammates! Stop the talk and start backing it up! I believe the Magic will win a ring or two, but they did not earn it this year. Potential does not win games now.

quote: Originally posted by sparkie:I don't know if it's possible but I think that Larry Hughes for SG + Brad Miller/Mehmet Okur for PF would solve the problem. For the PF position, Magic needs a big man who can also shoot the ball well. If Hedo will go to an another team, Magic needs to find a good playmaker. Here is my fantasy trades: Lamar Odom for Hedo Brad Miller, Salmons for Hedo Don't wake up. You are dreaming some good stuff! Gm's all want to give their best stuff to Orlando for a guy who has had only 1 good year and not an allstar.

One cannot be the best until they beat the best! Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Chicago, Houston, Lakers, Pistons/Spurs. Those were the teams in order who were the best for the last 3 decades. Sure Miami got in one on a fluke. Magic will have to break through like each team on the list had to beat the one before it. Celtics held off the Lakers and the Pistons, the Lakers held off the Pistons one year, the Pistons held off the Bulls for a couple of years, Houston broke through, then Lakers won a couple, then the Pistons beat them, and then the Spurs beat them, and on and on it goes.

quote: Originally posted by Live or Die Magic: quote: Originally posted by DarkoHero:I think Stuckey has the better future. Add that Stuck's a rookie and 6' 5". I'd rather have Stuckey than JN. How do you figure? Stuckey has at least three more seasons of being a back-up to Billups. Meanwhile, Nelson will be starting alongside the best big man in the NBA. I'd say that Nelson's future looks just a bit better. Any pg could start on this team. JN is nothing but a backup pg starting for a team without a starting pg. However, Stuckey will likely become an all-star and possibly a Hall of Famer. He's this good as a rookie! Name another pg. in the past that was playing this well as a rookie. His backing up of C. Billups is nothing. He gets to learn from one of the best in the NBA. It takes a few years for a pg. to develop his potential. I'm not hating on the Magic, just JN. I've never liked him as a starter. He should not be being paid what he is nor should he be starting except the Magic do not have anyone better. My point earlier was that a rookie outplayed JN in the 2nd round of the playoffs. If that does not impress you, then you have low expectations from JN and the Magic. I expect better. He's a vetern making way more $$$.

Stuckey Nelson 15 pts 14 pts 6 asts 4 asts 3 rbs 2 rbs 0 to's 2 to's 2 stls 0 stls 33 mins 33 mins won game guaranteed win I think Stuckey has the better future. Add that Stuck's a rookie and 6' 5". I'd rather have Stuckey than JN.

I disagree. Rashard got oppertunities in the 4th and would pass them up. He needs to take them. He needs to be the man. He needs to demand the ball in crunch time.

Sorry, but the refs. didn't do it. Bad calls always go to both teams. The Magic just didn't get the job done.

Thanks for your service. It means a lot.

I think both teams could complain about calls in this series. Remember, we have the advantage of replay, refs. don't. I cut them some slack. Concerning the Hedo/Man charge/block, I'd bet that it was going to be called a charge, but the ref didn't want to decide the game. When I watched it in real-time I thought it was a charge. Replays may prove that Max had his foot on the line, but can you expect the ref. to see it. Rip's grab on Dooling isn't right, but there are 10 guys on the floor and only 3 refs. Rip did not have the ball at the time. I'm sure that it was just missed. We cannot expect the refs to be perfect. I've seen calls or non-calls go against both teams. Playing through those bad calls is part of playing the game. Rasheed, Van Gundy, and everyone else needs to realize this.

Hate to dampen your mood, but if the Magic win tonight, then game 5 is the pivotal game. The team that wins game 5 in a tied series usually wins. However, a loss tonight would kill the Magic.

quote: Originally posted by MAGICFAN4EVA1:Every time he gets fouled he complains to the refs and mouths off to them. give me a break. He whines about every single call against him. He leads the league in Technicals and that should result in at least 1 game suspension. I know that Kobe had 1 flagrant foul every game for 2 games in a row and if he got one in the 3rd game he wouldve gotten a 1 game suspension. It should be the same with technical fouls but make it if u get a technical foul 5 games in a row you get a suspension Dwight did a lot of complaining tonight. Everyone does it. Sheed just does it so everyone can tell he's mad.

Noone should doubt DH12. That man is a beast. I have utmost respect for the Pistons and the Magic. Dwight is awesome with still untapped potential! On the otherside, Magic fans should not forget how the "wimpy" Tay shut down McGrady, Reggie Miller, Kobe Bryant, etc. We all need a little more respect for eachother around here!

I don't know. This guy always plays better upset. Maybe those who go to the game should not try to get under his skin too much. Have you watched how much better Sheed plays after he gets a tech?