SauceMoney 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 quote: Originally posted by SauceMoney:From what ive seen from Lewis in seattle i know that Lewis can produce more offense then what hes showing. Im not really worried about that cause i know that a position change can do that to you. But my biggest problem is Lewis defending the post. He wasnt good at that in Seattle and hes still not good at it. Hes decent guarding wing players on the perimeter. Decent not stellar but he needs to be at his natural position and SVG has to give him total control and stop turning Lewis into just a spotup shooter. SFs in the league couldnt really guard him last season and thats the way we should be using him now. Im sorry Turk, but when we signed Lewis, we should have demoted your position immediately to a backup role. I mean Turk can still get 30+mins mostly playing the 4 but he still will be playing. We should be using our forward positions(48mins SF + 48mins Pf= 96 Total mins) in a 3man rotation. It should be Shard at the 3 for all of his minutes, Turk plays backup mins at the 3 and 4, and a Real PF (Battie next season but Auggie Cook or Gortat for now) to start with Howard and play a good number of minutes as well. Evans or Bogans shouldnt be playing SF, let them stay at the 2. This means we play in a 9 man rotation. Nelson Evans Lewis Auggie Howard with Arroyo Bogans Turk Foyle off the bench. Its simple. Right there the bench is averaging about 38ppg. Thats not bad. SVG is using his players wrong and have trouble substituting the right players at the right time. Just stay with a 9 man rotation where everybody gets a good amount of minutes to contribute. If were gonna make some trades, lets trade for a good PF that can defend and rebound and possibly a sg that can defend and score. But right now we can be ok IF Stan finally figures out how to use this team. But Lewis and Turk SHOULDNT start together. Let Turk be the BOOST off the bench. Also i rather start Arroyo over Nelson because he makes better decisions than Nelson and knows exactly when to take his shot. If you give Nelson the back up role then he will be mostly in there to boost the bench with his scoring which he does best anyways. SO lets just keep it like this 9man rotation: Arroyo Evans Lewis Auggie Howard with Nelson Bogans Turk Foyle off the bench. That makes your bench even better. Now there averaging about 42ppg and capable of putting up much more. This will work and you dont have to be a NBA coach to figure this team out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jack l j 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 turk is a better player than lewis. he has proved it over and over this year. lewis is not the 118 million dollar man. management made a big mistake with this and the ariza trade. otis gave some really bad advice to those who control the money. jacklj Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~O~ 565 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Lewis is playing out of position but wasn't Lewis playing out of position when the Magic went 16-4 at the beginning of the season? Lewis is being constantly destroyed on defense because he really can't play it. A couple of nights ago, I remember him guarding Andres Nocioni who was having a lackluster shooting season and he came to life against the Magic. Even so, the Magic shouldn't be playing him out of position but you just can't send someone like Hedo Turkoglu who has been playing waaaay better than Rashard Lewis to the bench. What message does that send to that player? Lewis Is just missing wide open threes and thats all I really see. In fact, Lewis isn't really struggling anymore since he was the only one hot against the 13-20 Kings and hot again last night against the clippers. I've seen Lewis get his shot plenty of times and yet he struggles to get it in. That should be cake for him The season he's having is compared to that of Dirk Nowitski who is having a career low shooting percentage compared to his rookie season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SauceMoney 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 quote: Originally posted by O-dub:Lewis is playing out of position but wasn't Lewis playing out of position when the Magic went 16-4 at the beginning of the season? Lewis is being constantly destroyed on defense because he really can't play it. A couple of nights ago, I remember him guarding Andres Nocioni who was having a lackluster shooting season and he came to life against the Magic. Even so, the Magic shouldn't be playing him out of position but you just can't send someone like Hedo Turkoglu who has been playing waaaay better than Rashard Lewis to the bench. What message does that send to that player? Lewis Is just missing wide open threes and thats all I really see. In fact, Lewis isn't really struggling anymore since he was the only one hot against the 13-20 Kings and hot again last night against the clippers. I've seen Lewis get his shot plenty of times and yet he struggles to get it in. That should be cake for him The season he's having is compared to that of Dirk Nowitski who is having a career low shooting percentage compared to his rookie season. Hold up, what does putting Hedo on the bench means to you guys. Cause to me thats not to discourage him, thats to solidify our bench scoring. Turk in a 6th man role would be great for us. Like the Spurs use Manu, its not to downgrade him, its simply to keep the scoring going. Yes hes being outplaying Lewis but I rather send Turk to the bench than Lewis simply because i know Turk is gonna do whatever it takes to get his points and Lewis right now lacks that intensity. Every championship type team had good team defense and most of all a good bench to backup the starters. His role would be somewhat bigger cause were depending on him to keep getting his points and boost our bench scoring. Right now were last in bench scoring 21ppg. We need to get our bench more involved and what other better way to do that then put 1 of our top scorers on the bench to give us 30 good minutes and let Lewis finally play the 3. Makes perfect sense. Spurs is doing that with Manu and they still the 1 of the top teams in the league even though they have Finley and Barry which i thought we shouldve went after last summer. But there bench is producing and it is helping them. Lewis and Turk in the starting lineup isnt gonna work defense wise. So one of them has to come off the bench and sense i have more faith in Turk then Lewis right now then i would have Turk come off the bench and see what Lewis can do starting at the 3 going up against SFs now. Lewis wasnt ranked 3 best SF behind Mello and Lebron in the league for nothing last season. Lets get Lewis out of the PF position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_rocket 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 quote: Originally posted by Catman:To echo another poster, this is not SVGs fault, just his problem. And he is doing the best he can with what he has. And Hedo can not "easily play SG". In fact, when have you ever seen Hedo play SG? The guy is 6'11 and can not guard a fast SG. Be real about it, Hedo is a SF who can swing down to PF for a little bit and that's what he does. he is slightly 6 10 and he played sg at sacremento.kings generally finished games hedo at 2 and peja 3 in those years.also I have seen him playing at 2 last year also.I remember he was matching up with iverson instead of g.hill.in turkish national team our coaches used him at pg for a few minutes also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Blood 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 SVG has forced Rashard Lewis to become a 118 million dollar 3 point specialist. I understand there is not much coach has to work with at the 4 position, but by putting Shard there, his defensive liability outweighs his offensive game. In the end, Rashard at PF is not the right thing to do. We're taking him out of his comfort zone and expecting too much while he's at it. Rashard is a natural 3, and that's been known for how many years now. Cmon, we ALL know Rashard this year isn't the same as last year's Rashard who scored over 40 several times. Obviously something is not right, and the blame tends to fall more on SVG. Rashard isn't exerting himself as much as he's supposed to, but again, coach playing him out of position is the bigger problem in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mat 4 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 quote: Originally posted by Orlando Mellow: quote: Originally posted by Courtskils:For the contract he signed, he should be the guy who wants to guard the other teams best player, whether he's a post or a wing. When you pay a guy league max he should have the intensity to want the ball every possession, he should have that killer instince. Rashard, however just wants to fit in. Well if you don't want to lead, don't try and get paid like a leader. Honestly, don't you think management had conversations with Rashard about intensity, leading, and playing like he's getting paid. I don't see Rashard complaining to Van Gundy about the way he is used, speak up. That's pretty shortsighted. Courtskills should see Lewis isn't at fault for Otis having thrown a bunch of money at him and expect him to become Keven Garnett. Rashard never in his 9 year career has had to play this way. Is like asking a guy like Dirk Nowitzki to play center just because he's 7 feet and to expect good defense against the good centers of this league. Sorry you can't understand this. I also agree 100% with the opening post quote: Originally posted by MatiasjjStan is not stupid. he realize that Lewis is nto a PF. He put hedo and Shard in the floor because he want to spread the floor for Dwight and Howard develop very well. The other reason is because Tony is injured for all the season. Foyle can Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MilitaryMagic 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Rashard had 8 games of 30+ points in 60 games last season as a small forward. I finally found a game log of his 06-07 season: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2006/20613 We are not seeing this play this season. If we had a guy consistently going for 25, 30 points we'd be doing far better. Note his double-doubles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SauceMoney 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 The dumbest thing is that you dont pay the 3rd best SF all that money to come here and play PF for you. Thats just retarded. Let Lewis continue playing where hes most comfortable at. If anything they shouldve moved Turk to the PF. Now we have a problem cause Turk is playing good. Turk can play the 2 but hes too slow to defense other 2 guards. So either we have him come off the bench in a Manu Ginobili role which i think thats best for him OR trade him in a deal getting us a good PF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SauceMoney 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 quote: Originally posted by MilitaryMagic:Rashard had 8 games of 30+ points in 60 games last season as a small forward. I finally found a game log of his 06-07 season: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2006/20613 We are not seeing this play this season. If we had a guy consistently going for 25, 30 points we'd be doing far better. Note his double-doubles. Did you see how many 30pt , high 20pt games he had? I mean damm one game he took 30 FG attempts. He also shot less 3s then he do now. That means he took more mid range shots. Which is very good. Having Lewis play PF is hurting his game and we need to either remove Turk from the starting lineup or trade him for a REAL PF that can score and defend like Haslem. Lewis stats last season looks damm good and now i know why Otis went after him. His season high was 36pts but he had several 30pt games. SVG please put Lewis at the 3 and lets see what he really can do without just spotting up for 3s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MilitaryMagic 0 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 quote: Originally posted by MilitaryMagic:Rashard had 8 games of 30+ points in 60 games last season as a small forward. I finally found a game log of his 06-07 season: http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2006/20613 We are not seeing this play this season. If we had a guy consistently going for 25, 30 points we'd be doing far better. Note his double-doubles. *Bump for the new day* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MilitaryMagic 0 Report post Posted January 11, 2008 Two seasons ago he had a 45 point game against the Magic where he went: 44 mins 14-18 fga/fgm 4-8 3pta/3ptm 17-20 fta/ftm 45 points Yo SVG??? Where is this guy???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
