2018 Official Offseason Thread

[jmmagicfan 302]

Here is your list of free agent point guards currently available this summer. So, let's see our options.

1) Anyone over 30 is probably out - too old to fit in with the prime of our core, already declining, or only a backup. We can't afford them, or they aren't going to want to spend their prime when we aren't ready to take a big step. 

2) Can't get off their current teams bench for any significant minutes. (Under 13 MPG) We don't need another backup unless we waive Mack, and pay him the $1M guarantee to go away.

3) Career 3 PT under 33.3%

 

PLAYER (30)	TEAM	POS.	AGE	EXP	TYPE	RIGHTS	GP	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	2017-2018 AAV
Tony Parker	SAS	PG	36	16	UFA	Bird	55	19.5	7.7	1.7	3.5	0.5	0.0	$14,445,313
Jose Calderon	CLE	PG	36	12	UFA	Non-Bird	57	16.0	4.5	1.5	2.1	0.5	0.0	$2,328,652
Jameer Nelson	DET	PG	36	13	UFA	Non-Bird	50	20.3	4.9	2.1	3.6	0.5	0.1	$2,262,871
Devin Harris	DEN	PG	35	13	UFA	Bird	71	18.9	8.4	1.8	2.1	0.7	0.2	$4,140,721
Jarrett Jack	NYK	PG	34	12	UFA	Non-Bird	62	25.0	7.5	3.1	5.6	0.6	0.1	$2,328,652
Chris Paul	HOU	PG	33	12	UFA	Bird	58	31.8	18.6	5.4	7.9	1.7	0.2	$21,468,695
Raymond Felton	OKC	PG	33	12	UFA	Non-Bird	82	16.6	6.9	1.9	2.5	0.6	0.2	$2,328,652
Aaron Brooks	MIN	PG	33	9	UFA	Non-Bird	32	5.9	2.3	0.5	0.6	0.2		$2,116,955
Rajon Rondo	NOP	PG	32	11	UFA	Non-Bird	65	26.2	8.3	4.0	8.2	1.1	0.2	$3,300,000
Mario Chalmers	MEM	PG	32	8	UFA	Non-Bird	66	21.5	7.7	2.4	3.0	1.2	0.2	$2,106,470
Ramon Sessions	WAS	PG	32	10	UFA	Non-Bird	28	14.0	4.9	1.4	2.8	0.5	0.1	$355,218
Ty Lawson	WAS	PG	30	8	UFA	Non-Bird								$1,315,448
Jonathan Gibson	BOS	PG	30	1	RFA	Non-Bird	4	9.8	8.5	0.8	1.0			$44,495
Isaiah Thomas	LAL	PG	29	6	UFA	Bird	33	26.4	14.7	2.0	4.6	0.5	0.1	$6,750,001
Julyan Stone	CHA	PG	29	4	UFA	Non-Bird	23	7.6	0.8	1.3	1.1	0.2	0.1	$762,153
Derrick Rose	MIN	PG	29	8	UFA	Non-Bird	25	16.8	8.4	1.4	1.5	0.3	0.2	$418,607
Tim Frazier	WAS	PG	27	3	UFA	Bird	59	14.2	3.0	1.9	3.3	0.8	0.1	$2,045,000
Lorenzo Brown	TOR	PG	27	3	UFA	Non-Bird	14	9.9	2.3	1.0	0.9	0.4		$8,612
Michael Carter-Williams	CHA	PG	26	4	UFA	Non-Bird	52	16.0	4.6	2.7	2.2	0.9	0.4	$2,700,000
Shabazz Napier	POR	PG	26	3	RFA	Bird	74	20.7	8.7	2.3	2.0	1.1	0.2	$1,561,140
Raul Neto	UTH	PG	26	2	RFA	Bird	41	12.1	4.5	1.2	1.8	0.3	0.1	$910,849
David Stockton	UTH	PG	26	1	RFA	Non-Bird	3	3.0	3.3					$7,416
Shane Larkin	BOS	PG	25	3	UFA	Non-Bird	54	14.4	4.3	1.7	1.8	0.5	0.1	$1,524,305
Yogi Ferrell	DAL	PG	25	1	RFA	Early Bird	82	27.8	10.2	3.0	2.5	0.8	0.1	$207,798
Marcus Smart	BOS	PG	24	3	RFA	Bird	54	29.9	10.2	3.5	4.8	1.3	0.4	$3,707,815
Elfrid Payton	PHX	PG	24	3	RFA	Bird	63	28.7	12.7	4.3	6.2	1.3	0.3	$2,712,375
Fred VanVleet	TOR	PG	24	1	RFA	Early Bird	76	20.0	8.6	2.4	3.2	0.9	0.3	$724,360
Ryan Arcidiacono	CHI	PG	24	1	RFA		24	12.7	2.0	1.0	1.5	0.5		-
Dante Exum	UTH	PG	22	3	RFA	Bird	14	16.7	8.1	1.9	3.1	0.6	0.2	$4,081,356
Wade Baldwin	POR	PG	22	1	RFA	Non-Bird	7	11.4	5.4	1.1	0.7	0.3	0.1	$229,892

 

So, that leaves Thomas and Larkin as the UFA possibilities; and Napier, Ferrell, and VanVleet as your RFAs that meet those requirements. I think Larkin is destined to be a career backup, the productivity just isn't there. I'm not sure we have seen enough of Ferrell or VanVleet to know if they have starter potential. Napier's numbers are comparable to Ferrell/VanVleet, with more experience; but he just put it together, and we let him go once. Would he even be interested in coming back? Yes, Thomas was very rusty when he came back, but that is why we might get him on a reasonable offer, as he has something to prove; and that drive to prove himself is what made a #60 pick into an all-star. Rose's career 3pt shot isn't very good, but he is still a former MVP with something to prove, which is why I might take a flier. 

 

 

[MagicFan1234 124]

I wanted Exum in the draft but I would not mind taking a gable for him as long Magic pays less than $8 million

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

7 minutes ago, Malik Buttface said:

Would we say Van Fleet starting caliber or like a slightly better Cory Joseph?

There's optimism he'd be like a jameer Nelson level starter. Best run last season was 30 games of about 12 ppg on 8.9 fga and 45% three point shooting. That's off the bench sharing shots with a bunch of other players. 

Reasonable chance he's something between Trey Burke from last year and Darren collison. Augustin with better defense. 

Worst case scenario he's Shabazz

[HeHateMe 697]

Why not just run this year with DJ and some G-League backup PG? I don’t see the need In forcing it. Yea we need a PG for the future but if nothing presents itself this summer that makes sense I’m fine addressing that next draft/summer. 

I’d rather that then throw multiple year deals at a guy who might be average. 

[CTMagicUK 1,491]

There's a rumour in Greece we might be bringing Nick Calathes back to the NBA. 

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

1 minute ago, CTMagicUK said:

There's a rumour in Greece we might be bringing Nick Calathes back to the NBA. 

Bleh

[jmmagicfan 302]

5 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:

There's a rumour in Greece we might be bringing Nick Calathes back to the NBA. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague ; but it doesn't say anything about the Magic being interested/making the pitch. Definitely an interesting idea. Not sure if Dallas still owns his rights though. 

[Originalticketholder 133]

4 hours ago, fan for too long 2 said:

Nobodies discussing Iwundu. I think he can run the point. He did it a lot in college. Has good handles just needs to mature into the position. Maybe Clifford gives him more time there. 

Great post and I agree.  He was listed as an SF but did exactly what you describe in college.  Probably a year or two away but worth trying to develop him as our PG. That would be a dream come true.

[MagicFan1234 124]

3 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague ; but it doesn't say anything about the Magic being interested/making the pitch. Definitely an interesting idea. Not sure if Dallas still owns his rights though. 

Mavericks do not own his rights anymore since Mavericks traded his rights to the Grizzles in 2013

[CTMagicUK 1,491]

5 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23377655/nick-calathes-plans-return-nba-euroleague ; but it doesn't say anything about the Magic being interested/making the pitch. Definitely an interesting idea. Not sure if Dallas still owns his rights though. 

http://nba.sport24.gr/article/5239869/o-teodosic-i-upomoni-tou-kalathi-kai-oi-orlando-magic

It's here. Article in Greek but when it translates you can kind of make out the story linking us to him.

[Magicfan1987 266]

2 hours ago, HeHateMe said:

Hey we agree on something for the first time ever. 

we actually agree on quite a bit I just don't quote you each time but if The Forum let you see likes and upvotes analytics you'd discover I'm one of you're bigger supporters. Unless it had to do with Trae Young or KD. Polarizing players in their own right. lol

[jmmagicfan 302]

1 minute ago, MagicFan1234 said:

Mavericks do not own his rights anymore since Mavericks traded his rights to the Grizzles in 2013

You're right, I mis-read because he was drafted by the Grizz, rights traded to the Mavs, and then the rights were traded back/he played for the Grizz 2013-2015 when he went back to Greece. 6'6" combo guard who averaged 14.5ppg, 8 apg, and 4 rpg last season is interesting.