Franchero MVP 391 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Well we're gonna eventually reach a stretch in the next 2 months where the playoffs may get out of reach but it ain't looking pretty no This team sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Optimist Prime 197 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Why was Green in at the end of the game? And Vuc switched out for Biyombo with like 2 minutes left? I couldn't watch the game, just following the game cast. Also, DJ was switched for Payton at the end, when shooters would make sense. But that's a more understandable move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 We need to make an decision on him. He can't keep picking and choosing when to be aggressive. I made a decision on him almost 2 years ago. Not sure why it's taken this long for others to do so. He's a backup PG--nothing more and nothing less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Well we're gonna eventually reach a stretch in the next 2 months where the playoffs may get out of reach but it ain't looking pretty no This team sucks Not trying to be Mr. A$$hole here, but the playoffs are out of reach. This team will never sniff .500 now. We will be 6-13 after our next 3. Season is lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 I made a decision on him almost 2 years ago. Not sure why it's taken this long for others to do so. He's a backup PG--nothing more and nothing less. I don't know either. I understand you want to see what Vogel does with him but his mentality is the problem and that's not something a coach can improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Why was Green in at the end of the game? And Vuc switched out for Biyombo with like 2 minutes left? I couldn't watch the game, just following the game cast. Also, DJ was switched for Payton at the end, when shooters would make sense. But that's a more understandable move. Green played defense once, hit some ugly shots and that was enough to cement him as the guy down the stretch. I can't answer it. It irks me big time and I can't stand it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 I made a decision on him almost 2 years ago. Not sure why it's taken this long for others to do so. He's a backup PG--nothing more and nothing less. Because he has the requisite ability to be a pretty solid starting point guard and is young but has issues playing hard. There's games or quarters when you look at him and say "man if we get that Payton more often we're in great shape" but then he goes 3.5 games where he just sleepwalks through them. Then he has a solid quarter again followed by a great game and it gives hope. But ultimately what's worse? A guy who has flaws but plays at 100% at all times or a guy who is talented but cant mentally dip into that talent. I remember early on watching kemba walker as a freshman and a sophomore. You could see the talent but he'd often play at 1,000 miles per hour which caused him to play out of control and make a bunch of mistakes. Jim Calhoun would reference this and say " i would always prefer a guy where i have to 'reel him in' vs a guy where i have to tell him to 'pick it up'". I can't help but think Payton is the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicjed23 12 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 We lost the game when Vogel put Green in and didn't get Gordon in again. That team is too athletic to rely on Green, AG at least gets us second shots. Has anyone noticed that Gordon is open alot on alley-oops behind the defense and Augustin never passes to him. Payton makes that pass easy . Payton can be a top PG in this league if he gets the right coaching. And he is a starter in this league, he is an old school point though. In year 4 or 5, he will be an All-Star. If Henny is there, Payton is the point guard. If the rest of the starters hit their open shots his assists will jump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Not trying to be Mr. A$$hole here, but the playoffs are out of reach. This team will never sniff .500 now. We will be 6-13 after our next 3. Season is lost. We're 3 games under .500 the playoffs are absolutely not out of reach. Depends entirely on what happens this road trip. We go 1-5 or 2-4 and the season could start to spiral. We steal a couple and go 3-3 and we'll be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 Because he has the requisite ability to be a pretty solid starting point guard and is young but has issues playing hard. There's games or quarters when you look at him and say "man if we get that Payton more often we're in great shape" but then he goes 3.5 games where he just sleepwalks through them. Then he has a solid quarter again followed by a great game and it gives hope. But ultimately what's worse? A guy who has flaws but plays at 100% at all times or a guy who is talented but cant mentally dip into that talent. I remember early on watching kemba walker as a freshman and a sophomore. You could see the talent but he'd often play at 1,000 miles per hour which caused him to play out of control and make a bunch of mistakes. Jim Calhoun would reference this and say " i would always prefer a guy where i have to 'reel him in' vs a guy where i have to tell him to 'pick it up'". I can't help but think Payton is the latter. He is the latter. Usually it's one game on, two or three off. Tonight he was off in the first half and on in the second. It's who he is and you just can't rely on someone like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 We lost the game when Vogel put Green in and didn't get Gordon in again. That team is too athletic to rely on Green, AG at least gets us second shots. Has anyone noticed that Gordon is open alot on alley-oops behind the defense and Augustin never passes to him. Payton makes that pass easy . Payton can be a top PG in this league if he gets the right coaching. And he is a starter in this league, he is an old school point though. In year 4 or 5, he will be an All-Star. If Henny is there, Payton is the point guard. If the rest of the starters hit their open shots his assists will jump. It's not his talent. He's always been talented, it's his mentality. DJ is not an starter for sure but all the talent in the world mean she nothing of you don't come to work consistently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 26, 2016 He is the latter. Usually it's one game on, two or three off. Tonight he was off in the first half and on in the second. It's who he is and you just can't rely on someone like that. Right. So let's say tomorrow a team doctor realized Payton needs glasses and it improves his shot so that he's a 37% three point shooter. Even after that do we think he's the long term answer? Is mentality improvable? You see this sometimes with young players on great veteran teams where they have to be prodded to take over. But can he improve when he's been given every opportunity for it to be his team and he still has these issues? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
