Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 21, 2016 Thanks for that info. Unless he's a star, it'd be hard giving 24 mil/yr to a guy. Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 After January 14th, trade Fournier and Gordon + however many picks it takes to Utah for Hayward. They get their backcourt weak spots filled up, they run George Hill, Fournier, Gordon, Favors, Gobert and get extra first rounder(s) and make it to atleast the second round of the playoffs. We keep our front court intact, get our go to scorer, and have room for Mario to put up or shut up. Payton can do his thing and have a new favorite passing buddy. No way Utah does this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 After January 14th, trade Fournier and Gordon + however many picks it takes to Utah for Hayward. They get their backcourt weak spots filled up, they run George Hill, Fournier, Gordon, Favors, Gobert and get extra first rounder(s) and make it to atleast the second round of the playoffs. We keep our front court intact, get our go to scorer, and have room for Mario to put up or shut up. Payton can do his thing and have a new favorite passing buddy. No way Utah does this. I wouldn't do that. It's too much for a guy in Hayward where you still really don't know where he stands in the league. Sure he's playing well against Sacramento but last night he couldn't compete with golden state. Not to say he's bad or anything, but that's elite player price you're paying for a good guy on an expiring contract Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 I wouldn't do that. It's too much for a guy in Hayward where you still really don't know where he stands in the league. Sure he's playing well against Sacramento but last night he couldn't compete with golden state. Not to say he's bad or anything, but that's elite player price you're paying for a good guy on an expiring contract That was his only bad game going back to 11/19. If you take that one game out he's averaging 25+ ppg on good %, 6+ rebounds and 4+assists over that time. That's not 'good'. That's elite. He's had 3 bad games all season, he averaged 8/7/4 in those three games. That's better than Gordon (on average). I get where you're coming from though. We'd be dumb to say no to that trade, but in some ways, Hayward is still enigmatic I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 After January 14th, trade Fournier and Gordon + however many picks it takes to Utah for Hayward. They get their backcourt weak spots filled up, they run George Hill, Fournier, Gordon, Favors, Gobert and get extra first rounder(s) and make it to atleast the second round of the playoffs. We keep our front court intact, get our go to scorer, and have room for Mario to put up or shut up. Payton can do his thing and have a new favorite passing buddy. No way Utah does this. That's quite a bit to give up. I think I'd be ok with Fournier, Gordon, and 1 future 1st. Would hate to lose Gordon though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 That was his only bad game going back to 11/19. If you take that one game out he's averaging 25+ ppg on good %, 6+ rebounds and 4+assists over that time. That's not 'good'. That's elite. He's had 3 bad games all season, he averaged 8/7/4 in those three games. That's better than Gordon (on average). I get where you're coming from though. We'd be dumb to say no to that trade, but in some ways, Hayward is still enigmatic I guess. Nah the Dallas game was bad too. But i don't want this discussion to be about him having 4 bad games this year vs 5. That's not all that important. Hayward is playing really well for this stretch but we really don't know if he's a number 1 option yet. Guys can have really good stretches of 15 games. Oladipo had a 17 game stretch last year where he put up 21/5/4 on 51/38/86 and 2 steals per game. Doesn't mean that's the guy he's going to be. If Hayward is doing this in February then we can talk but i still think he's going to end up in Boston to play with Brad Stephens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 Additionally, trading guys plus draft picks pretty much locks us in to this starting lineup: payton-bargain bin sg, meeks, or hezonja- Hayward-Ibaka-vucevic or biyombo with augustin and minimum type guys on the bench. we'd have little avenue to improve. and I don't know if that is the roster we want to run with. I think we're better off pursuing him in free agency because then we could run a payton-fournier-hayward-gordon-ibaka (augustin, hezonja, draft pick biyombo) 9 man rotation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 I love Hayward but Utah is not trading him. They are 18-12 even though they've had lots of injuries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,422 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 If McCollum's contract weren't so complicated, I think he'd be on our team tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 534 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 If McCollum's contract weren't so complicated, I think he'd be on our team tomorrow Not a point guard. And what in god's name makes you think this. Does a chimpanzee run Portland? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 The Orlando Magic have reportedly discussed trade scenarios with the Minnesota Timberwolves (per aptly named Wolves reporter Darren Wolfson) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted December 22, 2016 If McCollum's contract weren't so complicated, I think he'd be on our team tomorrow why would Portland trade McCollum instead of doing something like this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hv9eg79 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
