2017 NBA Draft Thread

[Magicman28 295]

Monk already has the skill set to average 20pts a game. He may not have the measurements but he could have an impact like cj of the blazers. He has that "it" factor for scoring.

 

Isaac reminds me of Marvin Williams. Williams had so much "potential" he was draft before two all-star point guards - One being cp3.

 

Nah. He looks nothing like Marvin Williams.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Nah. Nothing like Marvin Williams.

 

Tell that to the ringer

[Magicman28 295]

Tell that to the ringer

 

 

Don't know what their vision is but I personally don't see it.

[Magicman28 295]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246152/76ers-Not-Ruling-Out-Trading-No-3-Overall-Pick

 

I bet we're one of those teams

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Don't know what their vision is but I personally don't see it.

 

Williams was Isaac before Isaac.

 

Marvin has the size, length, versatility, athleticism and especially the upside that teams love. These traits give him the ability to play both forward positions.

 

The most developed part of Marvins offensive game right now is his almost flawless jumpshot

 

The few times that Marvin put the ball on the floor toward the basket he showed he has very good handles for a player his size. He displays a low, fast, under control dribble and rarely forces the issue. He provided solid help bringing the ball up the court against full court pressure. Unfortunately for us, Marvin did such a good job playing within the team at Carolina that he didnt display his ball handling skills often.

 

He can play with his back to the basket or facing it, not seeming to have a preference and sometimes he just takes what the defense gives him. He is very aggressive when establishing position offensively, stays low with strength and has good balance. Marvin doesnt shy away from contact and actually looks for it often. He has no problem finishing strong at the rim, even after taking contact. When catching passes in traffic he shows good hands and receives the ball fairly well. Unlike many athletic big men these days, Marvin has shown a desire to rebound the ball. He boxes out well and goes hard after every loose rebound and at least gets a hand on almost anything that comes near him. His solid frame and quick leaping will help make him a tremendous rebounder in the NBA.

 

At this point, all we know is that Marvin Williams is going to be a promising forward in the NBA and is most likely a top five pick or possibly even the first overall pick whenever he decides to leave North Carolina. Unfortunately, its just way too early to speculate specifically what kind of player he will develop into. He did such a good job of playing within the system at Carolina that its possible there are phases to his game that he just hasnt shown us yet. You must understand that Roy Williams gave Marvin a defined role, which was to run the floor, take open jumpshots, crash the boards and play defense. Marvin may have the ability to create off the dribble or to shot fadeaways but that was certainly not going to happen with Felton, May, McCants and Jawad on the floor next to him. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marvin-Williams-59/ ©DraftExpress

 

[LaVar 108]

Nah. He looks nothing like Marvin Williams.

The young Marvin Williams. Not the old.

[Magicman28 295]

Williams was Isaac before Isaac.

 

 

I got eyes and perfect vision man.

 

I don't see the same offensive skill set. They both might be long, athletic, versatile, defense...Isaac has a skill on the offensive side that I don't see from Marvin Williams at UNC.

 

Not with/without the ball, not in the post, not on the perimeter, not with the same fluidity and finesse.

 

Just don't see it.

[Murphy13 185]

I don't see Marvin Williams in Isaac either. Isaac is more dynamic, I don't see a single player that he resembles right now. I think you were onto something when you mentioned Prince, but only a sliver of him. I see Rashard Lewis, but only a sliver. The reality is that if we're talking a combination of these players that is a mighty fine player-an all star player.

 

Monk on the other hand may very well average 20/game a couple times in his career, but he's basically Ben Gordon to me. If he takes it to another level he may be able to equal Monta Ellis production, which is very respectable. He is not a game changer either way, hence why his ceiling has been no higher than #8 in this draft.

[Magicman28 295]

Strengths: A dynamic wing player with freakish length and agility and a scorers mentality ... Has the ability to essentially score at will on the college level … A special player offensively, who has fully developed post skills to go along with an NBA-range jumper … His ability to pull up off the dribble is absolutely illegal for a 6-10 player … Simply dominates even elite NCAA competition and top defenders, as his combination of height, length, athleticism, and skill is completely unrivaled on this level … Despite a laid-back nature, he has developed leadership and demands the ball in crunch time … He's skilled and instinctual enough to have an offense run through him … Already a great rebounder who understands the importance of boxing out and can simply leap over players who try to push him out of the lane … Has the potential to become a great defender with his 7-5 wing span and great leaping ability … The best NCAA freshman to play in some time … Born in September, he's a year young for his grade, further adding to his intrigue!

 

Weaknesses: Hasn't been fully tested in terms of competition. Does he have the fire inside to maximize his abilities and develop a killer instinct? He has a laid back demeanor; will he continue to work hard after he starts cashing 7 figure checks? … Defensively, he's very lax. Tends to be too upright, and should focus more on his defensive fundamentals, getting low in his defensive stance, especially on the perimeter … Has all the potential to be a lock down defender, but doesn't put the effort in on that side of the ball … Still needs to bulk up, although he has bulked up significantly since high school. May always be skinny and adding too much weight could slow his foot speed some … Adding weight will make him more aggressive inside, as he tends to shy away from contact and can be pushed around and affected when played physical … Ball handling could still use refinement, as he is a little too high in his dribble … Shows flashes of great passing but is inconsistent … Should block more shots with his length and athleticism … Can improve upon the nuances of the game, moving without the ball, understanding where to be in help defense situations, giving equal effort on both ends of the floor etc.

 

 

Strengths: A "tantalizing" prospect, Isaac has a rare combination of size, length, and fluidity for wing player, in many ways similar to Kevin Durant at the same age from a physical and skill standpoint; at 6’10.5” with a 9’0.5” standing reach ... He has the size to play the four (and possibly even 5) when necessary and be a presence inside once his frame fills out, but he also runs the floor like a natural wing player ... Isaac has long strides, is light on his feet, and can get up and down the floor in a hurry ... He has uncommon quickness for a player his size, which he utilizes very well when cutting off the ball to lose his man and create easy looks ... Isaac is a quick jumper and shows good vertical explosion, particularly off of two feet when he has momentum to the basket ... His length and athleticism also point towards potential as a rebounder ... He showed flashes on the glass regularly at Florida State, averaging 9.6 rebounds per 40 minutes, and should develop into an even more potent rebounder as he matures ... On the perimeter, he can be a mismatch, as his size and length give him the ability to get his shot off over just about any wing defender ... Isaac's jumper looks promising and should become even more dangerous with time and repetition ... He is not going to be a 40-plus percent shooter from three-point land right away, but he has clearly established himself as a threat from outside (1.7 made threes per 40 minutes) with the ability to make tough pull-ups and fadeaways ... Isaac is also a sound ball-handler and despite not having carte blanche at Florida State, he has shown the ability to create his own shot with a variety of moves ... His ability to pull up off the dribble is extremely intiguing ... He utilizes hesitations, crossovers and step backs with crisp footwork to blow by or separate into a jump shot ... These flashes of shot creation at his size fuel his scoring potential and drive his potential through the roof ... He does not have the most advanced feel for the game yet, but he also shows flashes as a facilitator ... As a shooter he is a bit streaky but shows good shot preparation and balance with a high release ... He has excellent slashing ability as well and does a great job attacking closeouts with long strides ... Isaac also has a quick first step and a strong rip through move that gives him good momentum when driving to the basket ... However, he is more than just a straight-line driver; he does a great job of changing speeds and directions with a variety of dribble moves, and he has excellent hip mobility ... He can also shoot over the top of smaller defenders while posting up with his size and length ... His size also helps him as a passer, as he can see over the top of most defenders; and has good vision ... The potential for Isaac as a defensive stopper is also very intriguing ... He has the tools to eventually become a player that can lock down multiple positions ... He moves laterally quite well and should become a valuable switchman off the pick and roll ... He has the agility and foot speed to contain smaller players on the perimeter but also has the size and reach to give bigger players a hard time down low ... He is not ready to play down low regularly, but he is long and agile enough to provide glimpses of rim protection when needed to play the 4 ... He is a late bloomer that was a 6’3” guard in high school and is just scratching the surface of his abilities ... Players with his combination of size, length, fluidity, and skill are extremely rare, and he will be a great fit in today’s NBA ... If he can put it all together, he will be a star ... Isaac’s overall upside is off the charts and may be higher than any player in this draft, and in the right situation he may ultimately end up the best player ...

 

Weaknesses: Isaac still has not grown into his own body yet, and is very thin for his size at only 205 pounds ... He has a lot of skill but has to rely on finesse a bit too often rather than physicality ... He struggles on the interior as a 4 man due to a lack of strength and toughness, and he can be pushed out of his spots pretty easily on offense ... For example, he lacks the core strength to get all the way to the rim against physical defenders and can get knocked off course, especially when he elevates ... Isaac has a tendency to shy away from contact and often will not explode all the way to the rim even when he has his man beat ... On the interior he struggles to hold his position when posting up and will settle for fall away jumpers rather than getting to the basket ... Though he has potential on defense, he allows himself to be screened easily and lacks the physicality to fight through screens ... He also lacks the strength to guard the post with consistency, which limits his ability to play the four regularly ... His lack of strength also affects him on the glass, where he can get bullied often and pushed out of position ... He also does not always box out and relies too much on his length to track down misses ... He still needs to become a more consistent shooter to become a truly reliable threat from the outside, and he is not a great ball handler under pressure ... He has a tendency to settle for tough jumpers even when he has an open lane ... He does not always read and react to the defense well and can waste dribbles without covering any ground ... He may be best suited as a mismatch four man at the next level rather than a pure wing player, as he has a solid handle but does not always get somewhere with the dribble ... He needs to become stronger with the ball as well ... Isaac has good vision with the potential to become a solid playmaker, but right now his timing and accuracy are not great, and he can put his teammates in bad spots at times ... He can also improve his discipline on the defensive end ... He will bite on too many fakes on the perimeter and takes poor angles on the ball ... He gets lost off the ball too often and needs to do a better job of seeing his man and the ball simultaneously ... Isaac has loads of talent, but he has a bad habit of disappearing for stretches, especially after a bad play or two ... He can improve his ability to move on to the next play ... He will need to learn to stay locked in and focused for the entire game to become more consistent and reach his full potential ... While his ceiling is substantial, his readiness is not where some of his peers in this draft are at, giving him a bigger basement as well, and greater risk ...

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Strengths: A dynamic wing player with freakish length and agility and a scorers mentality ... Has the ability to essentially score at will on the college level … A special player offensively, who has fully developed post skills to go along with an NBA-range jumper … His ability to pull up off the dribble is absolutely illegal for a 6-10 player … Simply dominates even elite NCAA competition and top defenders, as his combination of height, length, athleticism, and skill is completely unrivaled on this level … Despite a laid-back nature, he has developed leadership and demands the ball in crunch time … He's skilled and instinctual enough to have an offense run through him … Already a great rebounder who understands the importance of boxing out and can simply leap over players who try to push him out of the lane … Has the potential to become a great defender with his 7-5 wing span and great leaping ability … The best NCAA freshman to play in some time … Born in September, he's a year young for his grade, further adding to his intrigue!

 

Weaknesses: Hasn't been fully tested in terms of competition. Does he have the fire inside to maximize his abilities and develop a killer instinct? He has a laid back demeanor; will he continue to work hard after he starts cashing 7 figure checks? … Defensively, he's very lax. Tends to be too upright, and should focus more on his defensive fundamentals, getting low in his defensive stance, especially on the perimeter … Has all the potential to be a lock down defender, but doesn't put the effort in on that side of the ball … Still needs to bulk up, although he has bulked up significantly since high school. May always be skinny and adding too much weight could slow his foot speed some … Adding weight will make him more aggressive inside, as he tends to shy away from contact and can be pushed around and affected when played physical … Ball handling could still use refinement, as he is a little too high in his dribble … Shows flashes of great passing but is inconsistent … Should block more shots with his length and athleticism … Can improve upon the nuances of the game, moving without the ball, understanding where to be in help defense situations, giving equal effort on both ends of the floor etc.

 

 

Strengths: A "tantalizing" prospect, Isaac has a rare combination of size, length, and fluidity for wing player, in many ways similar to Kevin Durant at the same age from a physical and skill standpoint; at 6’10.5” with a 9’0.5” standing reach ... He has the size to play the four (and possibly even 5) when necessary and be a presence inside once his frame fills out, but he also runs the floor like a natural wing player ... Isaac has long strides, is light on his feet, and can get up and down the floor in a hurry ... He has uncommon quickness for a player his size, which he utilizes very well when cutting off the ball to lose his man and create easy looks ... Isaac is a quick jumper and shows good vertical explosion, particularly off of two feet when he has momentum to the basket ... His length and athleticism also point towards potential as a rebounder ... He showed flashes on the glass regularly at Florida State, averaging 9.6 rebounds per 40 minutes, and should develop into an even more potent rebounder as he matures ... On the perimeter, he can be a mismatch, as his size and length give him the ability to get his shot off over just about any wing defender ... Isaac's jumper looks promising and should become even more dangerous with time and repetition ... He is not going to be a 40-plus percent shooter from three-point land right away, but he has clearly established himself as a threat from outside (1.7 made threes per 40 minutes) with the ability to make tough pull-ups and fadeaways ... Isaac is also a sound ball-handler and despite not having carte blanche at Florida State, he has shown the ability to create his own shot with a variety of moves ... His ability to pull up off the dribble is extremely intiguing ... He utilizes hesitations, crossovers and step backs with crisp footwork to blow by or separate into a jump shot ... These flashes of shot creation at his size fuel his scoring potential and drive his potential through the roof ... He does not have the most advanced feel for the game yet, but he also shows flashes as a facilitator ... As a shooter he is a bit streaky but shows good shot preparation and balance with a high release ... He has excellent slashing ability as well and does a great job attacking closeouts with long strides ... Isaac also has a quick first step and a strong rip through move that gives him good momentum when driving to the basket ... However, he is more than just a straight-line driver; he does a great job of changing speeds and directions with a variety of dribble moves, and he has excellent hip mobility ... He can also shoot over the top of smaller defenders while posting up with his size and length ... His size also helps him as a passer, as he can see over the top of most defenders; and has good vision ... The potential for Isaac as a defensive stopper is also very intriguing ... He has the tools to eventually become a player that can lock down multiple positions ... He moves laterally quite well and should become a valuable switchman off the pick and roll ... He has the agility and foot speed to contain smaller players on the perimeter but also has the size and reach to give bigger players a hard time down low ... He is not ready to play down low regularly, but he is long and agile enough to provide glimpses of rim protection when needed to play the 4 ... He is a late bloomer that was a 6’3” guard in high school and is just scratching the surface of his abilities ... Players with his combination of size, length, fluidity, and skill are extremely rare, and he will be a great fit in today’s NBA ... If he can put it all together, he will be a star ... Isaac’s overall upside is off the charts and may be higher than any player in this draft, and in the right situation he may ultimately end up the best player ...

 

Weaknesses: Isaac still has not grown into his own body yet, and is very thin for his size at only 205 pounds ... He has a lot of skill but has to rely on finesse a bit too often rather than physicality ... He struggles on the interior as a 4 man due to a lack of strength and toughness, and he can be pushed out of his spots pretty easily on offense ... For example, he lacks the core strength to get all the way to the rim against physical defenders and can get knocked off course, especially when he elevates ... Isaac has a tendency to shy away from contact and often will not explode all the way to the rim even when he has his man beat ... On the interior he struggles to hold his position when posting up and will settle for fall away jumpers rather than getting to the basket ... Though he has potential on defense, he allows himself to be screened easily and lacks the physicality to fight through screens ... He also lacks the strength to guard the post with consistency, which limits his ability to play the four regularly ... His lack of strength also affects him on the glass, where he can get bullied often and pushed out of position ... He also does not always box out and relies too much on his length to track down misses ... He still needs to become a more consistent shooter to become a truly reliable threat from the outside, and he is not a great ball handler under pressure ... He has a tendency to settle for tough jumpers even when he has an open lane ... He does not always read and react to the defense well and can waste dribbles without covering any ground ... He may be best suited as a mismatch four man at the next level rather than a pure wing player, as he has a solid handle but does not always get somewhere with the dribble ... He needs to become stronger with the ball as well ... Isaac has good vision with the potential to become a solid playmaker, but right now his timing and accuracy are not great, and he can put his teammates in bad spots at times ... He can also improve his discipline on the defensive end ... He will bite on too many fakes on the perimeter and takes poor angles on the ball ... He gets lost off the ball too often and needs to do a better job of seeing his man and the ball simultaneously ... Isaac has loads of talent, but he has a bad habit of disappearing for stretches, especially after a bad play or two ... He can improve his ability to move on to the next play ... He will need to learn to stay locked in and focused for the entire game to become more consistent and reach his full potential ... While his ceiling is substantial, his readiness is not where some of his peers in this draft are at, giving him a bigger basement as well, and greater risk ...

 

nbadraft.net is garbage.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Five player team combinations to avoid:

 

Magic: Jonathan Isaac

 

The Greek Freak was worth a shot. So was Bruno. Isaac fits the new Magic front office’s modus operandi. But I think the Magic should pass on Isaac, unless there is no better, higher-upside prospect available. While Isaac is ranked seventh on my general board in The Ringer’s 2017 NBA Draft Guide, the Magic need to be thinking about finding their cornerstone this draft, even if there’s higher risk involved.

 

Jayson Tatum would provide the Magic with a potential go-to scoring presence that can be leaned on in end-of-game situations. De’Aaron Fox is a point guard who can change the game with his speed and defense. Malik Monk’s shot-making is extraordinary. One of them should be available with the sixth pick.

 

Considering Isaac’s physique, some of the comparisons being thrown out make sense. But what made Giannis special as a prospect was his feel, dexterity, fluidity, and ball-handling ability. Brandon Ingram is another reference point, but Ingram demonstrated tremendous instincts and passing vision in college. Isaac hasn’t yet showcased any of these qualities: He’s much more of a follower than a leader offensively

Isaac has small hands, which shows in the frequency of passes he bobbles or times he loses grip of the ball on his drives. It’s hard to recall many (or any) players reaching a superstar level with lousy hands. Isaac should be a very good player. He could become an important player on a winning team, especially as the league gets smaller. There’s nothing wrong with what Isaac can be on offense. He can score effectively off-ball by hitting spot-up 3s, attacking closeouts, and cutting.

 

But Orlando has significant draft capital with picks 25, 33, and 35, and they should find valuable pieces to fill those roles. With the sixth pick, they should take a swing on a player who can become the man, not one of the guys.

 

 

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-draft-player-team-combinations-to-avoid-lauri-markkanen-deaaron-fox-jayson-tatum-ca11f00a4a39

[Magicman28 295]

nbadraft.net is garbage.

 

 

So is the Marvin Williams comp. Whoever wrote that should get their eyes examined.

 

I usually don't read much into what nbadraft.net but they're pretty accurate here.