Franchero MVP 391 Report post Posted February 7, 2016 We're 16-2 when Elfrid has a positive +/- in the game. We need a consistent PG badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catalina Maria 64 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 We're 16-2 when Elfrid has a positive +/- in the game. We need a consistent PG badly. I think today may also prove the "so goes Harris" theory. So it didn't help that for the month of January both Payton and Harris sucked. Not sure if either of them will ever be consistently good. I'll be cautiously pessimistic now so that my heart doesn't break in case we go another 2-22 for our next streak, but it maybe good to experiment with the idea that perhaps Fournier > Harris at SF. Fournier was logging a lot of SF minutes earlier in the year when he was balling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Nah, all we expect is positive trends and that's not something he's provided much this year. He has upside at least. Harris hasn't been trending positively in a long time yet he gets a pass. It seems people are coming around to him as a sixth man though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 He has upside at least. Harris hasn't been trending positively in a long time yet he gets a pass. It seems people are coming around to him as a sixth man though. Have you been around here? When has Harris ever gotten a pass this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFeds 34 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Nah, all we expect is positive trends and that's not something he's provided much this year. You do realise it is fairly common for players to hit a plateau in their second year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 You do realise it is fairly common for players to hit a plateau in their second year? Plateau sure, regress and become the worst starting point guard in the league, no. Edit: ok, maybe worst starting point guard is an exaggeration. Change that to third worst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFeds 34 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Plateau sure, regress and become the worst starting point guard in the league, no. Edit: ok, maybe worst starting point guard is an exaggeration. Change that to third worst. Regressed is a bit much, I'm sure you will show me the stats but the difference would probably be nothing more than 1 good month similar to what he had last year after the all star break. His too young to give up on and I don't see the point on getting anyone else if we aren't in contention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Regressed is a bit much, I'm sure you will show me the stats but the difference would probably be nothing more than 1 good month similar to what he had last year after the all star break. His too young to give up on and I don't see the point on getting anyone else if we aren't in contention. Yeah, this is an offseason problem. Not a now problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~O~ 565 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 The funniest thing about this game was that on my feed it skipped from the inbounds to the high giving after the game winner and I didn't even care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 619 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Our spacing is so much better with Fournier at SF than Harris. That plus what people have already commented several times: when we have a pg who defenders can't sag 6 feet off because he's hitting some shots, it opens up passing and driving lanes. With AG and Payton in together, most of the time those guys are left alone at 3 point range and everyone sags into the clogged up paint. And usually neither AG nor Payton is willing to take that open shot. Big win. Hope we can keep it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 619 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 Which proves we can play defense ... when we want to. You're right. Which makes me wonder which would be the bigger problem: having the capability to play good defense but for some reason not wind up doing it much of the time, or simply being unable to play good defense even when everyone is trying their hardest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 You're right. Which makes me wonder which would be the bigger problem: having the capability to play good defense but for some reason not wind up doing it much of the time, or simply being unable to play good defense even when everyone is trying their hardest? Lets examine why our defense played well yesterday. Vucevic's size bothered Horford enough that he didn't try attacking him until the end. Gordon was able to contain Millsap Oladipo and Fournier were both able to prevent korver from making any noise until the fourth quarter. Teague was able to exploit payton but oladipo shut him down. It looked like our plan was to see if Bazemore could beat us. This is a satisfactory plan. Teams generally destroy us on pick and rolls. I don't think Atlanta really tried to beat us that way. Instead their intention seemed to be play the way they usually play with their usual rotations. They also didn't play a two point guard lineup which is something we've had issues with lately. At any rate, everyone did a fantastic job rotating especially Fournier. He really fought on defense. so your question, is it an effort thing or an ability thing? We don't really have enough data to show its one way or the other. Atlanta didn't play us the same way other teams have played us recently so we don't know if they just failed to exploit us. That being said, we played great defense with a payton-oladipo-fournier-harris-vucevic lineup early in the season (offense just sucked). We played great defense with a payton-oladipo-fournier-gordon-vucevic lineup and the offense was fine (thanks to oladipo not playing like crap and payton forcing Atlanta to defend him) Maybe Harris just has a difficult time defending threes and the payton-oladipo-fournier lineup provides us with enough defensive speed. its going to be interesting to see what happens tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
