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[CTMagicUK 1,483]

Find me a good player, worthy of a top 5 pick, who averaged less than 10 ppg for three consecutive seasons in college and I'll be on board with WCS.

 

Thought this was interesting so had a dig. Here are all the almosts:

 

Noah only averaged 10.3 PPG over three seasons but he did get past double digits in PPG

Theo Ratliff, like Noah, averaged just 10.3 PPG but did get to double digits as a junior.

Dikembe Mutombo averaged less than 10 PPG for his career but again did have greater than 10 PPG years

Draymond Green is also in with this group as someone around 10 PPG for their career but who beat it in a single season.

 

 

Kenyon Martin JUST beat your specifications by averaging 10.1 PPG as a Junior plus I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

Jamaal Magloire does meet the criteria but again I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

 

Got one:

 

Mark Eaton averaged 1.6 PPG while only playing 196 minutes in 2 seasons at UCLA (at least according to Sports reference)! Don't know what went on there but it fits!

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

His offense is never a selling point but his defensive impact potential is what I can admire. Believe me, I was never a fan of his, but I'm more open to it today.

 

Like I said though, there are defense only players in the nba. Surely there should be an example of someone having a top 5 pick type of career while averaging 9 ppg over three seasons. If not, doesn't that tell you something about his chances of being a successful nba player?

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Thought this was interesting so had a dig. Here are all the almosts:

 

Noah only averaged 10.3 PPG over three seasons but he did get past double digits in PPG

Theo Ratliff, like Noah, averaged just 10.3 PPG but did get to double digits as a junior.

Dikembe Mutombo averaged less than 10 PPG for his career but again did have greater than 10 PPG years

Draymond Green is also in with this group as someone around 10 PPG for their career but who beat it in a single season.

 

 

Kenyon Martin JUST beat your specifications by averaging 10.1 PPG as a Junior plus I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

Jamaal Magloire does meet the criteria but again I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

 

Got one:

 

Mark Eaton averaged 1.6 PPG while only playing 196 minutes in 2 seasons at UCLA (at least according to Sports reference)! Don't know what went on there but it fits!

 

Lol. Good work.

[CTMagicUK 1,483]

Lol. Good work.

 

My procrastination level is at an all time high.

[Nyce_1 311]

Thought this was interesting so had a dig. Here are all the almosts:

 

Noah only averaged 10.3 PPG over three seasons but he did get past double digits in PPG

Theo Ratliff, like Noah, averaged just 10.3 PPG but did get to double digits as a junior.

Dikembe Mutombo averaged less than 10 PPG for his career but again did have greater than 10 PPG years

Draymond Green is also in with this group as someone around 10 PPG for their career but who beat it in a single season.

 

 

Kenyon Martin JUST beat your specifications by averaging 10.1 PPG as a Junior plus I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

Jamaal Magloire does meet the criteria but again I'm not sure he's worthy of a top 5 pick in most drafts.

 

Got one:

 

Mark Eaton averaged 1.6 PPG while only playing 196 minutes in 2 seasons at UCLA (at least according to Sports reference)! Don't know what went on there but it fits!

Thank you sir. Noah was the only close one I came up with after thought.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

here's my point.

 

We have, what, ~4,500 examples of college basketball players every year.

 

Only 60 are drafted.

 

Of those 60, a great draft would have, what, 10 players who are starters or better.

 

Those 10 are never the first 10 picks.

 

Over the last 9 drafts (not including last draft), 3 of the first picks have been failures. 5 of the second picks have been failures. 3 of the third picks have been failures. 4 of the fourth picks have been failures. 5 of the fifth picks have been failures. 5 of the sixth picks have been failures. 4 of the seventh picks have been failures.

 

Why do we end up hovering around a 50/50 success rate in early draft picks? I think it's because everyone focuses on something a player does well and they don't consider how a guy's entire game will translate. Moving from college to the nba will magnify your weaknesses. A guy who scores 20 ppg on 42% shooting in college isn't suddenly going to become more efficient. It's more likely that he'll start shooting 39% in the nba.

 

We need to look at the past failures to predict who will be a future failure.

 

Statistically, two or three players in this year's top 7 will suck. Is it going to be towns (production), okafor (defense), Russell (efficiency vs top competition), Mudiay (China), Porzingis (frame), wcs (offense), Hezonja (attitude), or Winslow (I dunno, height?)?

 

If you had to bet on failures, wouldn't Mudiay, wcs, and Porzingis top that list?

[CTMagicUK 1,483]

here's my point.

 

We have, what, ~4,500 examples of college basketball players every year.

 

Only 60 are drafted.

 

Of those 60, a great draft would have, what, 10 players who are starters or better.

 

Those 10 are never the first 10 picks.

 

Over the last 9 drafts (not including last draft), 3 of the first picks have been failures. 5 of the second picks have been failures. 3 of the third picks have been failures. 4 of the fourth picks have been failures. 5 of the fifth picks have been failures. 5 of the sixth picks have been failures. 4 of the seventh picks have been failures.

 

Why do we end up hovering around a 50/50 success rate in early draft picks? I think it's because everyone focuses on something a player does well and they don't consider how a guy's entire game will translate. Moving from college to the nba will magnify your weaknesses. A guy who scores 20 ppg on 42% shooting in college isn't suddenly going to become more efficient. It's more likely that he'll start shooting 39% in the nba.

 

We need to look at the past failures to predict who will be a future failure.

 

Statistically, two or three players in this year's top 7 will suck. Is it going to be towns (production), okafor (defense), Russell (efficiency vs top competition), Mudiay (China), Porzingis (frame), wcs (offense), Hezonja (attitude), or Winslow (I dunno, height?)?

 

If you had to bet on failures, wouldn't Mudiay, wcs, and Porzingis top that list?

 

Im actually in agreement I just looked for those guys because I was bored.

[magicblue 315]

Porzingis for sure because of his build (he looks like he could shatter at any moment) and probably WCS because he may always be one-dimensional (although that one dimension is a valuable asset in the NBA).

[MAGICmanSAM 6]

I'm not trying to be snarky, because I'm pretty ignorant with prospects, but if WCS is a purely defensive specialist...what makes him different from Dewayne Dedmon?

[magicblue 315]

I'm not trying to be snarky, because I'm pretty ignorant with prospects, but if WCS is a purely defensive specialist...what makes him different from Dewayne Dedmon?

 

Not snarky at all, I think you bring up a good point actually.

[Catman 380]

Porzingis for sure because of his build (he looks like he could shatter at any moment) and probably WCS because he may always be one-dimensional (although that one dimension is a valuable asset in the NBA).

 

What were your thoughts on Noel in the draft, did you think he would be the rim protector he is now?

 

I'm not trying to be snarky, because I'm pretty ignorant with prospects, but if WCS is a purely defensive specialist...what makes him different from Dewayne Dedmon?

 

Exactly what I have been saying. I think he is a better version of Dedmon, but you can find guys like that in the D League (Dedmon Whiteside)

[magicblue 315]

What were your thoughts on Noel in the draft, did you think he would be the rim protector he is now

 

Yes, because he was a shot blocking maniac coming out of Kentucky and shot-blocking and rebounding usually translate well to the NBA. Do you remember when his knee shattered vs. UF and he missed his rookie season?