My 2 cents on Stan and Vince/Hedo

[ma 6]

First, I apologize for the new thread. I wish there were a couple

of sticky threads with general discussion topics where people can post

their stuff and it would be read without getting lost.

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Here is my 2 cents on Stan and Vince/Hedo:

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure. His

personal skills may lack some warm approachable

older brother figure.He is also very animated and

expressive. Doesn't like keeping anything in. May

not make the best decision on lineups and

rotations, or offensive gamesets.

 

But..

 

He is a very demanding person, perfectionist kind

of. And he is not afraid of any player or Stern to

speak his mind. He seems also very good with

statistics and kind of a clever guy.

 

So, let's look at achievements of Magic during

his time:

 

07-08 improved from 40 to 52 wins, one MIP award, 2nd round

08-09 improved to 59 wins, one DPOY award, COY nomination, Finals

 

I would say that keep Stan, but hire some good

assistant coaches for more offensive creativity.

 

- Vince/Hedo:

Vince is probably the best dunker in the NBA history

and a solid scorer. However he doesn't seem to play

very well with other established scorers around him

(Jameer, Rashard). Vince needs the ball in his hands

to get himself going, and he doesn't have the awareness

of his teammates needs that much. He takes the easy

route way too much with 2 feet behind the 3pt line chuckers.

 

Hedo was not very athletic and a relatively inconsistent

scorer, but his dribbling skills and game IQ was very high.

In addition, his personal awareness was very high, and he always

tried to get all the teammates involved in the game

early. Hedo needed the ball in his hands to get his

teammates going (especially Rashard). That's why he was

mr.4th quarter, he didn't look for his shot until late

in the game, which might explain some inconsistency. He also

didn't always perform well with minimal rest between

games.

 

 

So, the problem this season is that:

Jameer is a solid scorer , so he looks to get himself going early

(as opposed to Alston whose shooting was secondary).

Rashard needs to be fed the ball to score (can't create

his own much), and same with Dwight.

So, we are left with Barnes/Pietrus and vince in

the starting lineup. Now, Barnes doesn't handle the

ball much, and Pietrus is not known to pass anything.

 

Vince is the guy who should be balancing this starting

lineup by creating mainly for Rashard and Dwight. He

is not doing it so far, and our starting lineup always

gets outplayed by the other team.

[ma 6]

First, I apologize for the new thread. I wish there were a couple

of sticky threads with general discussion topics where people can post

their stuff and it would be read without getting lost.

****************************

Here is my 2 cents on Stan and Vince/Hedo:

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure. His

personal skills may lack some warm approachable

older brother figure.He is also very animated and

expressive. Doesn't like keeping anything in. May

not make the best decision on lineups and

rotations, or offensive gamesets.

 

But..

 

He is a very demanding person, perfectionist kind

of. And he is not afraid of any player or Stern to

speak his mind. He seems also very good with

statistics and kind of a clever guy.

 

So, let's look at achievements of Magic during

his time:

 

07-08 improved from 40 to 52 wins, one MIP award, 2nd round

08-09 improved to 59 wins, one DPOY award, COY nomination, Finals

 

I would say that keep Stan, but hire some good

assistant coaches for more offensive creativity.

 

- Vince/Hedo:

Vince is probably the best dunker in the NBA history

and a solid scorer. However he doesn't seem to play

very well with other established scorers around him

(Jameer, Rashard). Vince needs the ball in his hands

to get himself going, and he doesn't have the awareness

of his teammates needs that much. He takes the easy

route way too much with 2 feet behind the 3pt line chuckers.

 

Hedo was not very athletic and a relatively inconsistent

scorer, but his dribbling skills and game IQ was very high.

In addition, his personal awareness was very high, and he always

tried to get all the teammates involved in the game

early. Hedo needed the ball in his hands to get his

teammates going (especially Rashard). That's why he was

mr.4th quarter, he didn't look for his shot until late

in the game, which might explain some inconsistency. He also

didn't always perform well with minimal rest between

games.

 

 

So, the problem this season is that:

Jameer is a solid scorer , so he looks to get himself going early

(as opposed to Alston whose shooting was secondary).

Rashard needs to be fed the ball to score (can't create

his own much), and same with Dwight.

So, we are left with Barnes/Pietrus and vince in

the starting lineup. Now, Barnes doesn't handle the

ball much, and Pietrus is not known to pass anything.

 

Vince is the guy who should be balancing this starting

lineup by creating mainly for Rashard and Dwight. He

is not doing it so far, and our starting lineup always

gets outplayed by the other team.

[ApexTurbo 6]

quote:

Vince is the guy who should be balancing this starting

lineup by creating mainly for Rashard and Dwight. He

is not doing it so far, and our starting lineup always

gets outplayed by the other team.

 

This paragraph is very true having not really watched Carter much throughout his career I am not able to say if he has been a good passer. I do know that he attracted the double team often because he has always been a first option player. This season he is or should be the third scorer until the fourth quarter. Thus far I see him coming out early shooting horid jumpers that he makes extremely hard.

 

What we need is for him to get some dimes. Perhaps a dollar worth? I wouldn't mind that. Will we see it? I tend to have my doubts at this point. He just seems lazy and willing to chuck 35 footers.

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[ivielma 0]

I think that Carter needs to embrace JJ Reddick mentality. Hear me out! JJ Reddick was a prolific scorer when he was in college. It was natural for him to want to play as a rookie and of course demanded a trade when he didn't get playing time. Well, now we can all see that his strict college game doesn't translate well into the NBA. He has learned to create his own shot, distribute the ball, improve court vision, take it to the hoop at times, take a charge when needed and improved defense. This is the transformation that VC needs to take. Not only embrace JJ like play but also Kobe like play. In his later years Kobe has learned to hone many of the above skills mostly distribution and picking his shots carefully. It will be a transition for VC since he was everything to the Nets. I think that with time and an open mind VC can gel with the current crew but I hope he does it before either we fall flat in the playoffs or he is traded. I think with a mind shift VC can be a dangerous weapon on the floor (not talking about scoring) and can take over the 4th quarter as we think he can.

[Optimus Prime 0]

You can't say Carter can't play with other scorers did you forget he played with RJ, KIDD and had Krstic looking like a top center in the game before his injury? and Bosh second year he was 17 and 9? and Jameer is an established scorer after one good half a season?

[ma 6]

Kidd is not a shoot first guy. I don't know much about Jefferson.Bosh was not an established scorer then, Jameer was player of the year in college.

quote:

Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

You can't say Carter can't play with other scorers did you forget he played with RJ, KIDD and had Krstic looking like a top center in the game before his injury? and Bosh second year he was 17 and 9? and Jameer is an established scorer after one good half a season?

[Optimus Prime 0]

quote:

Originally posted by ma:

Kidd is not a shoot first guy. I don't know much about Jefferson.Bosh was not an established scorer then, Jameer was player of the year in college.

quote:

Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

You can't say Carter can't play with other scorers did you forget he played with RJ, KIDD and had Krstic looking like a top center in the game before his injury? and Bosh second year he was 17 and 9? and Jameer is an established scorer after one good half a season?

 

Did you really just say Meer was CPOY? The league is a whole diff ball game and he didn't come in scoring crazy! 9, 14, 13, 10 and 16 is not an established scorer sorry try again! and you got it with the KIDD but Kidd was dominating the ball!

[ThisIsTheYear 241]

quote:

Originally posted by ma:

 

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure.

 

Oh, come on.

[robotmaster 0]

quote:

Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:

quote:

Originally posted by ma:

 

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure.

 

Oh, come on.

 

Correction: "Nice" Stan isn't the best motivator. Yelling and screaming stan, in fact, is.

[ElMayi 0]

quote:

Originally posted by robotmaster:

quote:

Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:

quote:

Originally posted by ma:

 

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure.

 

Oh, come on.

 

Correction: "Nice" Stan isn't the best motivator. Yelling and screaming stan, in fact, is.

 

If he knew anything about the game and could actually coach, he could yell, be the biggest ahole in the NBA, and the players would still respect him.

 

What the hell was that exchange with the refs about singing a song? (talking about when he was wired live against LA). I thought Stan always says the problem is lack of focus?

 

This guy cannot coach even if his life depended on it.

[ElMayi 0]

quote:

Originally posted by ElMayi:

quote:

Originally posted by robotmaster:

quote:

Originally posted by ThisIsTheYear:

Originally posted by ma:

 

 

- Stan:

Stan is not the best motivator for sure.

 

Oh, come on.

 

Correction: "Nice" Stan isn't the best motivator. Yelling and screaming stan, in fact, is.

 

If he knew anything about the game and could actually coach, he could yell, be the biggest ahole in the NBA, and the players would still have some respect for him.

 

What the hell was that exchange with the refs about singing a song? (talking about when he was wired live against LA). I thought Stan always says the problem is lack of focus?

 

This guy cannot coach to save his life. I suspect he only got the assistant and Miami coaching job because his brother knew Riley.