Does Stan watch NBATV? (pg.7) Dwight's gettin' the ball tonight!

[ClubMed 0]

No, I dont think anybody can hate Vince Carter.

It is not a hate issue, it is him chukkin up anything and everything.

Who is to blame? Gortat?

[Darthmagic 0]

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Originally posted by ClubMed:

Closer to Chris Bosh????

If Bosh reads this comment probably he ll get a fit. Howard and Bosh in the same sentence, dont you think this is kind of taking a bit far?

Howard is a superstar, Bosh is a wing man at best. They treat him like a superstar in Toronto, but what other chance do they have, tell me.

He used to average more than 20 points a game. What has changed I dont know.

This second fiddle attitude will cost the Magic.

By the way the guy you are comparing to Howard has been considered a wing man to Lebron.

If he comes to Orlando, he ll be Howards sidekick. Not in the same category.

Saying all that, that was a thorough post and very helpfull too. But sadly I disagre with you on the main arguement. Little bulkier Rashard would be so much more helpfull than Bosh at any given time.

 

Maybe i wasn't clear. I wasn't saying that Bosh is on the same level as Dwight. Dwight is far an above the superior player. He's top 5 in the league. I'm saying that if Dwight was developed properly, his OFFENSIVE game would RESEMBLE Bosh (jumper, face up game), but with more power and ferocity and athleticism under the basket.

[Kris Brockington 0]

As far as Howard, he does have good footwork. He still has a ways to go though. It's up to the coach to let him work on his outside jumper in the game and things he's worked on in the off season. The defense always runs at Dwight. When he passes out of the double and triple team, it's up to the others to hit their shots.

 

Vince Carter: Well, he's in a shooting slump. That's all there is to it. Coach wants him to be himself so that's what he's doing. Just in a shooting slump. I don't think he's taking away from anything. He's passing the ball alot. Lewis isn't limited from taking any more shot attempts than last season. If he's in the right spot, he can take them. He has to work for the ball.

 

That being said, a lot of this is coaching.

[VaBchMagicFan 0]

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Originally posted by VCdaCarter:

I wish I knew the ages to some of the idiots on this site. Anyone blameing vince for howards low shot attempts is either a child, a VC hater or simply not watching the games.

Dude look at the numbers, VC is barely shooting 40% from the field,33% from 3 and averaging 2 assists a game. Meanwhile he can't guard anyone and doesn't get to the line anywhere like he should. Howard is going to go through growing pains, but he has to go through them. He needs shots and this year his shots should have seen a increase not a decrease. Ho w can you argue VC is not taking shots away? The numbers and facts say you're wrong.

[magicLA 57]

Giving Dwight more shots and touches in the post will just equal more turnovers and free throws and will slow the pace of the game to a half court sludge giving advantage to opposing defenses. VC's is shooting that amount because even though his % is down, it still has been our most consistent play. Howard's pick and roll play this year has astronomically sucked. During the Celtics game, there were at least 5-6 clear instances were VC and Jameer initiated the pk/rll off a D12 screen and Howard either never rolled or got lost on the play getting caught floating around the elbow. Each time this led to a crowded lane shot for the driver because Dwight got caught out of the offense. This (hopefully) seems to be a chemistry/familiarity thing as he really hasn't played with either player that much and should get better as the season progresses. But either way combine that with Rashard's suspension and crappy shooting this year and that has left VC to be the primary shooter by default not because Carter is overshooting. Kamla and Scott analysis usually sounds like fantasy league talk anyhow. It doesn't matter if VC never shoots the ball or averages 10 assists, the Magic will not get a championship until Dwight's offensive game improves to the next level and allows us to balance our offense.

[VaBchMagicFan 0]

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

Giving Dwight more shots and touches in the post will just equal more turnovers and free throws and will slow the pace of the game to a half court sludge giving advantage to opposing defenses. VC's is shooting that amount because even though his % is down, it still has been our most consistent play. Howard's pick and roll play this year has astronomically sucked. During the Celtics game, there were at least 5-6 clear instances were VC and Jameer initiated the pk/rll off a D12 screen and Howard either never rolled or got lost on the play getting caught floating around the elbow. Each time this led to a crowded lane shot for the driver because Dwight got caught out of the offense. This (hopefully) seems to be a chemistry/familiarity thing as he really hasn't played with either player that much and should get better as the season progresses. But either way combine that with Rashard's suspension and crappy shooting this year and that has left VC to be the primary shooter by default not because Carter is overshooting. Kamla and Scott analysis usually sounds like fantasy league talk anyhow. It doesn't matter if VC never shoots the ball or averages 10 assists, the Magic will not get a championship until Dwight's offensive game improves to the next level and allows us to balance our offense.

The pick and roll isn't working as well because the guy who primarily ran it and did it well is gone. The fact that you want to blame it on Dwight is crazy, did he just forget how to run it? It's a two man game and VC isn't used to running it and isn't doing it well at all.

[magicLA 57]

...also, because his offensive game did not get better this offseason; the Magic's offense still has to create so much space on the floor to appease his game ensuring that we have at least some inside presence. The acquisition of Bass was rendered useless because D12's offensive game did not improve. Thus we are still reliant on the stretch 4 and 3pt jump shooting and unable to use our physical PF asset.

[VinceCarter4life 69]

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Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan:

Dude look at the numbers, VC is barely shooting 40% from the field,33% from 3 and averaging 2 assists a game. Meanwhile he can't guard anyone and doesn't get to the line anywhere like he should. Howard is going to go through growing pains, but he has to go through them. He needs shots and this year his shots should have seen a increase not a decrease. Ho w can you argue VC is not taking shots away? The numbers and facts say you're wrong.

 

Vince Carter: 31 MPG. 19PPG. 3.1 AST. 5.1 TRB. .857 FT%. 1STL..403 FG%

 

the fact that he averages .450 FG% near every single year, and plenty of higher FG% years makes me think he's not going to continue to shoot .403 FG%. Thanks.

The fact that he shoots near .380 3pt% makes me believe he wont continue to shoot low 30s from 3. Thank you again.

Oh btw isnt that like not 2 asts a game in the stat sheet?

 

 

 

p.s

Courtney lee: .254 3pt %. Yeah you're right earlier, we could really use his 3 pt shooting he has. And Lee is the one averaging 2 ASTs per game not Carter. Common mistake understandable

 

go ahead and ignore this post.

[magicLA 57]

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The pick and roll isn't working as well because the guy who primarily ran it and did it well is gone. The fact that you want to blame it on Dwight is crazy, did he just forget how to run it? It's a two man game and VC isn't used to running it and isn't doing it well at all.

 

like I said, it's a chemistry/familiarity thing. It was Dwight caught out of the offense not Jameer or VC. That means they're doing their end but Dwight isn't catching on yet. No doubt Hedo and Dwight had great court chemistry, but there is no reason it can't happen with Nelson/VC. The post game problems though are not a chemistry thing that is a practice/learn in the off season improvement.

[VinceCarter4life 69]

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Originally posted by ezzzp:

Giving Dwight more shots and touches in the post will just equal more turnovers and free throws and will slow the pace of the game to a half court sludge giving advantage to opposing defenses. VC's is shooting that amount because even though his % is down, it still has been our most consistent play. Howard's pick and roll play this year has astronomically sucked. During the Celtics game, there were at least 5-6 clear instances were VC and Jameer initiated the pk/rll off a D12 screen and Howard either never rolled or got lost on the play getting caught floating around the elbow. Each time this led to a crowded lane shot for the driver because Dwight got caught out of the offense. This (hopefully) seems to be a chemistry/familiarity thing as he really hasn't played with either player that much and should get better as the season progresses. But either way combine that with Rashard's suspension and crappy shooting this year and that has left VC to be the primary shooter by default not because Carter is overshooting. Kamla and Scott analysis usually sounds like fantasy league talk anyhow. It doesn't matter if VC never shoots the ball or averages 10 assists, the Magic will not get a championship until Dwight's offensive game improves to the next level and allows us to balance our offense.

+1

[VaBchMagicFan 0]

quote:

Originally posted by ezzzp:

...also, because his offensive game did not get better this offseason; the Magic's offense still has to create so much space on the floor to appease his game ensuring that we have at least some inside presence. The acquisition of Bass was rendered useless because D12's offensive game did not improve. Thus we are still reliant on the stretch 4 and 3pt jump shooting and unable to use our physical PF asset.

You don't get better unless you are allowed to try what you practiced during games. He needs 15+ shots every night, that's the only way he can get better. You can't keep bringing in guys who require shots. Shard,VC,Meer,RA are all scorers. So if they aren't scoring they serve no purpose. The manage ment and coaching staff have not help build Dwights confidence, instead they encourage the team to launch 3's and ignore Dwight in the post. SVG rarely runs plays for Dwight and you can see when he gets the ball he isn't comfortable.

 

Draining jumpers in a you tube video is different than doing it in an NBA game. He has to be allowed to fail and have bad games before he will get better.

[Darthmagic 0]

quote:

Originally posted by ezzzp:

Giving Dwight more shots and touches in the post will just equal more turnovers and free throws and will slow the pace of the game to a half court sludge giving advantage to opposing defenses. VC's is shooting that amount because even though his % is down, it still has been our most consistent play. Howard's pick and roll play this year has astronomically sucked. During the Celtics game, there were at least 5-6 clear instances were VC and Jameer initiated the pk/rll off a D12 screen and Howard either never rolled or got lost on the play getting caught floating around the elbow. Each time this led to a crowded lane shot for the driver because Dwight got caught out of the offense. This (hopefully) seems to be a chemistry/familiarity thing as he really hasn't played with either player that much and should get better as the season progresses. But either way combine that with Rashard's suspension and crappy shooting this year and that has left VC to be the primary shooter by default not because Carter is overshooting. Kamla and Scott analysis usually sounds like fantasy league talk anyhow. It doesn't matter if VC never shoots the ball or averages 10 assists, the Magic will not get a championship until Dwight's offensive game improves to the next level and allows us to balance our offense.

 

How is he gonna get better without getting the rock? Scorers aren't made in a gym they are made on the floor.