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  1. 2018 NBA Draft Thread

    I hate my life.
  2. Vogel is gone - Who should be our next coach?

    I'd be all for Casey, but I don't think he comes here. If we win the lottery that could change though. But as is, whoever we hire is a coach set up to fail, for someone like Casey he'd be better off taking a year off and talking to teams next year then take a bad job on a rebuilding team.
  3. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I never said that's what you said yourself, just something I hear a lot, especially during the time of Dwight being traded. A majority of fans wanted to get a tank package in return for Dwight instead of one to win with because everyone still had championship on their minds at the time. That is exactly what happened, and it backfired. Maybe it would've worked with a different GM. But my point is, that time has passed. It's time to throw away that mindset (once this season ends).
  4. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Point is, their tanking hasn't paid off at all yet. They are currently the 8th seed with the Pistons (who now have a vet All Star) breathing on their necks. If they actually develop a championship team then good on them, BUT THEY HAVE TO OR ELSE THE TANK WAS NOT WORTH IT. You don't justify three straight 60+ loss seasons (including a 72 loss season) on purpose to just be a playoff team. ...and again, absolutely NONE of the championship contending teams in the NBA right now tanked their way to the situations they are in. So, this idea that I keep hearing other Magic fans (not just on here) that we need to tank to build a title contender is just false.
  5. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    6 wins goes a long ways in the NBA. Plus, last year was the first year post-Dwight where people actually thought the team could contend for a playoff spot and they underachieved miserably. I'm not trying to say Skiles is the greatest guy or coach, but Frank hasn't done any better and again a lot of the stuff Skiles complained about has shown to be true in some way. Maybe if we listened to him and didn't waste so much time trying to build around Payton as the starting PG we could be in a different spot right now, who knows.
  6. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Maybe because Skiles' season here was easily the best one post-Dwight? Not going to disagree that he was behaving kind of like an idiot, but he may been acting like an idiot our GM was actually being one. Especially now in hindsight a lot of things Skiles said have shown to be true. I wouldn't necessarily even take Skiles back, but at the same time I'm not impressed at all with Vogel either.
  7. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    If anything, the fact we just dumped Payton for a bag of expired Doritos should justify Skiles. The dude told everyone in the building that Elfrid was not a long term starting PG, but Henny refused to listen and now look at where we are at. While, we are at it, I thought the team played way better under Skiles than they do under Vogel.
  8. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    No, the reason we are in the situation we're in now is because of Rob Hennigan's moronic attempt to rebuild this team after trading Dwight. We stripped the roster of talent in an attempt to go young and lose a lot. Which created the culture of youth and losing we're stuck with today. At the time of the Dwight trade, this city and franchise was hungry for championships since we were not far off from playing in the NBA Finals and b2b Eastern Conference Finals. Which is fair to a point, but now 6 years later we are as far off from a championship as ever. Straight up tanking doesn't win you championships. All the teams contending for the title this year didn't tank to get where they are, this idea that you need to strip your roster down and just suck until your savior comes is just crazy because you're gambling your franchise on getting lucky on a 19/20 year old. Plus, even if your team sucks enough doesn't guarantee you the pick to get any potential star players. The only pro-tanking argument I see much of these days is the 76ers, which kind of makes me laugh since right now Philly is a fringe 8th seed who does have a lot of young talent but these talented youngsters have a lot of injuries and question marks on them going forward. The 76ers HAVE to win a championship with this core to be worth putting their fans through some of the worst basketball in NBA history to get a chance to land them. Like I said, this season is a lost cause already and the draft has good potential so I'm fine with just tanking to finish. Which Vogel won't do, we'll have to rely on our own terrible play. But going forward, please put an end to this BS.
  9. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Tanking is so overrated. None of the best teams in the league right now tanked for their best players. All the tanking strategy has done for us is waste 6 years of our short lives on bad basketball and set up the darkest age in the history of this franchise. With this season already a lost cause I'm fine with tanking to finish, but I don't want to hear anymore of it going forward. Life is way too short to throw away YEARS for the possibility of getting a star who might lead you to a championship. Plus, even if we do get one that doesn't guarantee diddly either. Not like the Pelicans have won big with Anthony Davis and I think the dude is a top 5 player in the NBA.
  10. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Rockets? Maybe, Thunder? Hell naw They've played well against them this year, but they just lack the depth and they lost one of their best defenders. It wouldn't surprise me if they lost in round one depending on who they play tbh.
  11. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    This is a five star response.
  12. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I'm honestly not worried if Payton has limited value. If I'm GM I trade him for whatever asset(s) I could and just move forward knowing that I'm not interested in re-signing him at a higher salary. I'd rather trade him for pennies then just let him walk, I think it's in the best interest of the franchise to go in a different direction at the point. Payton isn't a horrible player, but his lack of consistent shot and his terrible PnR defense has hurt the team more than anything. I feel the pieces we have could benefit more from a change at the point.
  13. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    It's a bummer he won't be out there, but it's the right move. Especially with RFA coming his way in the offseason, he doesn't want to risk injuring himself and costing himself money.
  14. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    I think we just need to move on from a few guys and their contracts here. Team is 15-36 and complete bottom of the standings. We're now looking at making tough decisions on two RFAs this offseason. We're already paying Vucevic, Fournier and Biyombo healthy veteran contracts. Even if not max deals or albatrosses, we're looking at committing a lot of salary to a bottom feeding team. We are likely just stuck with Biyombo for a while, but I'd dump Fournier and Vooch to get their salary off the books to allow us to re-sign Gordon while keeping flexibility going forward with Isaac and a hopeful top 5 pick from 2018 draft also in the mix. I don't think Elfrid Payton is terrible, but I don't want to give him a raise and think I'd deal him for whatever asset I could grab instead of committing long term salary to him. I think Gordon has shown to be the best and most promising piece so far and we need to see his development out, but we need to keep ourselves flexible to improve too. I don't expect big sexy hauls back in any deadline trades, but that doesn't mean it won't be for the best in the long haul.
  15. 2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

    Gordon is going to be paid because he is a 22 year old year old averaging 18/8 and has improved every year since being drafted. He's the player with most potential on our roster (except maybe Isaac who just turned 20), so I feel it's in the best interest to pay him. If he continues to improve, a young productive player is not hard to move.
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