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The Raptors just made a terrible decision. They gave up their best player on a long term deal for a guy causing drama with the best organization in the league and is coming off a serious injury. To top it off, Kawhi supposedly has zero interest in staying there. They are hoping for a situation like Paul George in OKC, but I think Kawhi is more hard headed than George. Great deal for the Spurs though.

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What are we paying these guys for? They’ve barely done anything but make draft selections since getting hired.

Josh Robbins is indicating this was the move at PG. If that’s true then I have lost a LOT of faith in Weltham.

This, being under 30 doesn’t make someone a prospect. He’s not 22 and growing. At best he’s another Shelvin Mack. He can’t shoot and what I hear from Chicago fans he’s not even a good passer. He had a knack for dribbling around and taking bad shots. I’d rather just sign a PG with part of our MLE instead of making a pointless trade for another terrible point guard who can’t shoot.

I’d rather do nothing than make a stupid waste of time trade.

This trade is stupid. We just swapped garbage centers on garbage contracts and picked up a garbage guard. When I heard we traded Biyombo, I got excited until I saw it was for Mozgov. My neck is starting to hurt from shaking my head so much.

That is a great contract, I was scared we were going to have to pay him over 100 million but the lack of cap space helped us out. Glad to have Gordon locked up, now let’s trade some of these guys on our roster away and set ourselves up to build around Gordon, Isaac and Bamba and hopefully have some flexibility.

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Van Fleet? Considering how terrible our roster is coupled with how terrible our cap situation is, if we actually waste money on ANOTHER BACKUP PG I may actually throw up. There is nothing this team can do to make the roster watchable this year besides land LeBron, we just need to start setting ourselves up for cap space.

We had a pick here last year and just gave it away, I'm not sure the FO wants the guaranteed contract for a player here.

Please trade Vuc already.

We're getting Bamba IMO.

I can't get excited over this hire, but I'm glad we finally have the job filled and we can focus on rebuilding this roster.

I hate my life.

I'd be all for Casey, but I don't think he comes here. If we win the lottery that could change though. But as is, whoever we hire is a coach set up to fail, for someone like Casey he'd be better off taking a year off and talking to teams next year then take a bad job on a rebuilding team.

I never said that's what you said yourself, just something I hear a lot, especially during the time of Dwight being traded. A majority of fans wanted to get a tank package in return for Dwight instead of one to win with because everyone still had championship on their minds at the time. That is exactly what happened, and it backfired. Maybe it would've worked with a different GM. But my point is, that time has passed. It's time to throw away that mindset (once this season ends).

Point is, their tanking hasn't paid off at all yet. They are currently the 8th seed with the Pistons (who now have a vet All Star) breathing on their necks. If they actually develop a championship team then good on them, BUT THEY HAVE TO OR ELSE THE TANK WAS NOT WORTH IT. You don't justify three straight 60+ loss seasons (including a 72 loss season) on purpose to just be a playoff team. ...and again, absolutely NONE of the championship contending teams in the NBA right now tanked their way to the situations they are in. So, this idea that I keep hearing other Magic fans (not just on here) that we need to tank to build a title contender is just false.

6 wins goes a long ways in the NBA. Plus, last year was the first year post-Dwight where people actually thought the team could contend for a playoff spot and they underachieved miserably. I'm not trying to say Skiles is the greatest guy or coach, but Frank hasn't done any better and again a lot of the stuff Skiles complained about has shown to be true in some way. Maybe if we listened to him and didn't waste so much time trying to build around Payton as the starting PG we could be in a different spot right now, who knows.

Maybe because Skiles' season here was easily the best one post-Dwight? Not going to disagree that he was behaving kind of like an idiot, but he may been acting like an idiot our GM was actually being one. Especially now in hindsight a lot of things Skiles said have shown to be true. I wouldn't necessarily even take Skiles back, but at the same time I'm not impressed at all with Vogel either.

If anything, the fact we just dumped Payton for a bag of expired Doritos should justify Skiles. The dude told everyone in the building that Elfrid was not a long term starting PG, but Henny refused to listen and now look at where we are at. While, we are at it, I thought the team played way better under Skiles than they do under Vogel.

No, the reason we are in the situation we're in now is because of Rob Hennigan's moronic attempt to rebuild this team after trading Dwight. We stripped the roster of talent in an attempt to go young and lose a lot. Which created the culture of youth and losing we're stuck with today. At the time of the Dwight trade, this city and franchise was hungry for championships since we were not far off from playing in the NBA Finals and b2b Eastern Conference Finals. Which is fair to a point, but now 6 years later we are as far off from a championship as ever. Straight up tanking doesn't win you championships. All the teams contending for the title this year didn't tank to get where they are, this idea that you need to strip your roster down and just suck until your savior comes is just crazy because you're gambling your franchise on getting lucky on a 19/20 year old. Plus, even if your team sucks enough doesn't guarantee you the pick to get any potential star players. The only pro-tanking argument I see much of these days is the 76ers, which kind of makes me laugh since right now Philly is a fringe 8th seed who does have a lot of young talent but these talented youngsters have a lot of injuries and question marks on them going forward. The 76ers HAVE to win a championship with this core to be worth putting their fans through some of the worst basketball in NBA history to get a chance to land them. Like I said, this season is a lost cause already and the draft has good potential so I'm fine with just tanking to finish. Which Vogel won't do, we'll have to rely on our own terrible play. But going forward, please put an end to this BS.

Tanking is so overrated. None of the best teams in the league right now tanked for their best players. All the tanking strategy has done for us is waste 6 years of our short lives on bad basketball and set up the darkest age in the history of this franchise. With this season already a lost cause I'm fine with tanking to finish, but I don't want to hear anymore of it going forward. Life is way too short to throw away YEARS for the possibility of getting a star who might lead you to a championship. Plus, even if we do get one that doesn't guarantee diddly either. Not like the Pelicans have won big with Anthony Davis and I think the dude is a top 5 player in the NBA.

Rockets? Maybe, Thunder? Hell naw They've played well against them this year, but they just lack the depth and they lost one of their best defenders. It wouldn't surprise me if they lost in round one depending on who they play tbh.

This is a five star response.