Wilbur

I don't necessarily want to be in complete tank mode, but keeping Vuc for any period of time in hopes of winning games this season makes no sense to me. This season has to be about developing BIG and buying into the new system. Vuc has to be moved for a future asset. Waiting will only make the Magic desperate at the deadline.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact that he skied for the offensive rebound proves he is mentally tough enough to fight through the fatigue and make the play. Saying he shouldn't be tired isn't macho bs. It is an opinion of what the conditioning of a 23 year old premiere athlete should be coupled with an expectation that our experienced coach will not ride him into the ground so that there is nothing left in the last 4 minutes. However, whether I am right, or you are right, doesn't change the fundamental point: (1) If Gordon is in the game the ball shouldn't be in a two man game with Vuc and Fournier. But I'll add to it: (2) If Gordon was gassed and couldn't be effective/didn't want the ball, he should have been on the bench and our coach should explain how he didn't handle minutes well enough to permit Gordon to be effective in crunch time.

Then let's make the decision off of 6 years of watching Vuc and 4 years of watching Fournier. They aren't bad people. They aren't even bad NBA players. They are simply no longer a fit for this franchise. We have outgrown them. There was a time when we thought those two were going to be the foundation of the franchise. That is no longer the case. Vuc is an energy killing back to the basket big without defense. 20 years ago, Chicago and MJ would have made him a star. That was then this is now. Evan would be great as instant offense off the bench for a contending team. But right now he seems to believe that he is the offense on this team. When he is in the game, the shot is going up. He has somehow managed to increase his shots per game each season he has been in the league. I just don't see him settling for a bench role in Orlando. Even if he would, is the franchise better off with him coming off the bench firing or in having the ability to have one of Isaac or Gordon on the floor at all times running the offense from a point forward look or running PNR with Bamba/pick your PG? The latter crtainly seems better for developing the future of the franchise. It truly isn't about the one game last night. Who needs a C or SF and has a young PG with some upside and a contract that isn't an albatross? Get them on the phone quick before this season is wasted playing buddy ball in crunch time while your potential all star gets iced out. I think someone mentioned Gordon being tired. This is complete rubbish. I don't care how hard Gordon goes all game (and it was exceptional effort) he is 23 and should demand the ball in that situation. If a 23 year old NBA player is completely gassed by playing a single basketball game he either needs to get in extra conditioning or get some mental toughness. I don't think AG needs either. Rant Over.

Trade them or cut them. But this team is going nowhere with Vuc/Fournier.

Vuc/Fournier in a two man game freezing out the guy with 26 points and 16 rebounds. Awesome.

What runs does the Vuc/Fournier lineup have?

Let the offense run through Gordon. He needs to demand it. He has the big contract. It's his team, yet he has 3 shots and Vuc/Fournier have 12. Unreal.

Won't change as long as our identity is Vuc/Fournier. We've seen it. We don't like it.

I'm fine with Fournier shooting it everytime he touches it... provided he and Vuc are playing for other teams. If we are keeping both around this year and allowing them to shoot a combined 30 shots a game, slap redshirts on Issac and Mo and, embrace the tank.

I care as much about two games in Mexico as I do about Evan Fournier's views on our off-season. Okafor just signed a league minimum deal. Okafor is Vuc without the range, right? Lots of scouts missed it when it comes to that 2015 draft.

I come for basketball talk. I know nothing about James investments that resulted in him making his money. However, from an economic standpoint it is impossible to amass that kind of money without creating employment and improving a community. My wild guess is that a true evaluation of his entrepreneurial efforts would demonstrate that his financial impact on communities would be far more than the value of his personal fortune and the number of lives improved would be staggering.

Dakari Johnson becomes a 5th center? That's got to be a precursor to Vuc leaving, right? With Gordon's contract decreasing over time and Mosgov coming off the books 2 years from now, would you take on an extra bad year if it brings an asset?

Orlando is a textbook example of how to squander assets. Sure there will be picks that don't pan out. But consider the following: Oladipo and a 1st rounder were wasted. Hezonja and others were simply not developed and allowed to walk. Money was invested in Vuc, Fournier and Harris which actually decreased their value around the league. The rebuild now rests on the shoulders of Gordon and the last two 1st rounders. All 3 are considered athletic freaks. There is an upside, but wow, what a waste of assets.

So he's possibly good...except that he's not? That's the story of this franchise the last 6 years.

I'm missing something. The pg we just received got the most mpg of his career last year, managed an almost 4/1 ast/to ratio, shot over .320 from 3, and apparently has a defense first reputation. I get he isn't an all-star, but that's a pretty good return on Biz, right? No cap relief... But hard to get that at this point.