The Great Carlos Arroyo Debate!!!

[TookieWilliams 0]

is ed1 mocking arroyo fans or actually one. im kinda baffled

[Emory889 353]

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Originally posted by Arroyo fan:

Pardon me Tookie but I disagree. Marc change the topic tittle from The Great Carlos Arroyo Conspiracy to The Great Carlos Arroyo Debate. It was originally for fun.

 

And on why i disagree with you?

 

Carlos HAS quality to be on NBA. Explain me why he play 7 complete seasons in the NBA? You know what? He WILL be back on the NBA.

 

I would be willing to bet a paycheck that Carlos will never play in the NBA again. There is no question that he still has the talent to make an NBA roster right now but he opted to go to Israel because of the additional money that he will make. When that contract is over, I doubt very seriously that a NBA team will take a serious look at him. Besides, why would Carlos want to give up that beach house in Israel?

[TookieWilliams 0]

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Originally posted by emory889:

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Originally posted by Arroyo fan:

Pardon me Tookie but I disagree. Marc change the topic tittle from The Great Carlos Arroyo Conspiracy to The Great Carlos Arroyo Debate. It was originally for fun.

 

And on why i disagree with you?

 

Carlos HAS quality to be on NBA. Explain me why he play 7 complete seasons in the NBA? You know what? He WILL be back on the NBA.

 

I would be willing to bet a paycheck that Carlos will never play in the NBA again. There is no question that he still has the talent to make an NBA roster right now but he opted to go to Israel because of the additional money that he will make. When that contract is over, I doubt very seriously that a NBA team will take a serious look at him. Besides, why would Carlos want to give up that beach house in Israel?

 

 

beach house on the west bank?

[Knappy 0]

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Originally posted by CarlosDarwin:

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Originally posted by CarlosDarwin:

 

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Marc Acres posted:

 

With regard to how Dwight's maturity and how he handles criticism, how did he react when Stan called him out very publically? He went out and had a monster game and said that he agreed and understood what his coach was trying to get out of him. Yep, that sounds like a poor attitude from a prima-donna that literally runs the team.

 

CarlosDarwin:

 

Yes, he played like a monster after that because he got what he wanted: Jameer (his buddies) was put back into the starting rotation! Remember?

 

Marc Acres reponded:

 

You honestly believe that 1 has to do with the other don't you? Here are some fun facts-

 

Games played by Carlos and his mins leading up to the Cle game (after which the blow up occured) and after the Denver game (where Dwight responded).

Feb 4th-29min

Feb 6th-6mins

Feb 8th-DNP

Feb 11th-10 **The Cleveland game**

Feb 13th-DNP **The Denver game**

Feb 19th-DNP

After that he doesn't play till Feb 27th for 4 mins.

 

Jameer was out from Jan 16th to Jan 30, 11 days before the game that you claim Dwight pouted and got Carlos demoted. Jameer went back to starter mins on Feb 6th, 5 days before you claim Dwight pouted and got Carlos demoted. Please tell me again how you came up with Dwight causing this? jajajajajaja

 

Why don't we just call it what it is, you are running around posting every chance you get about how Carlos was wronged and you are looking for someone to blame. There is no one to blame, his contract was up, he was a duplication of what we already had locked up long term so he was not needed. Face it.

 

Sometimes, Marc, in order to truly understand some facts, you need more facts!

 

Last season we started the month of January with 2 wins and 6 loses! Exactly from January the 2nd to January 16th. Nelson was the starting PG for those games. After that, Nelson had (for me) a questionable ankle injury!

 

From January 19th until January 30th we finished the month of January with 5 wins and only 1 game lost, with 2 wins in a row to finish the month. Arroyo was our starting PG for that period.

 

The Magic then continued with another 2 wins in a row to begin the month of February(February the 1st and 2nd). That makes it 4 wins in a row with Arroyo as starting PG. So far the Magic are 7 wins and only 1 lost with Arroyo starting. On the next scheduled game for February the 6th Arroyo started again but played roughly only 6 minutes of the game, Nelson was put back in the rotation (after having received many DNPs in a row even though he was healthy to play already) and played the rest of the game. The Magic won that game (8 wins and 2 loses with Arroyo starting).

 

Now we can explain better what happened next between Dwight and SVG.

 

Nelson started the next 2 games, which we lost in a row, after having gone 8 and 2 with Arroyo as the starter. In the second game of this short losing streak (on February the 11th) is when SVG had the incident with Dwight. What really went on between SVG and Dwight that night? we probably will never know, 'cause what it is explained to the media has more to do with keeping a good image and/or public relations. But my explanation is the following:

 

 

 

After having a disastrous beginning in January (only 2 wins and 6 loses) Dwights buddie went to the bench. Arroyo comes to the rescue and the team goes for a 10 game stretch of 8 wins and only 2 loses. After Dwight (and this is my very personal interpretation, ) puts pressure on SVG (probably Otis) Nelson returns to the starting rotation. [note apart: It was always very strange, to say the least, that Arroyo was suddenly benched after having such a good performance with the team going 8wins and only 2 loses]. Dwight got what he wanted, but the team starts to lose again, two gamaes in a row precisily with Nelson starting after all the pressure Dwight had probabluy put over Otis and SVG. Of course that SVG had to be mad at Dwight. Probably back stage he gave Dwight hell. Next game, on February 13th, Dwight had a Monster game! What would had happened if the Magic were to lose that game that night? Nelson to the bench? Who knows, because Dwight monster night did not let that tohappen!

 

It is true - Carlos was so great last year that every NBA team recognized it and there was a massive run at him to get him on their team. All the NBA coaches and GMs know that the only reason the Magic won the games where Carlos started was because of Carlos - it had nothing to do with other players.

 

So, the lucky NBA team that got Carlos and paid him big money was the NBA team from Israel.

 

The guy wasn't sought after even in a backup role on any NBA team. Give it up, he just isn't that good, but it does make for lively debate.

 

I like what Mooooooves had to say "Everyone's involved in this conspiracy, even God. He's the one who didn't give Carlos sufficient talent to remain a member of the team."

 

jajajajajajajajajaja

[Knappy 0]

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Originally posted by SmackDaddy:

I will be eagerly combing the Maccabi tel aviv basketball forums for posts accusing coach Effi Birenboim of being a racist.

 

There's also certain to be an eruption of emotion within the locker room when Arroyo is benched due to the requests of Center Yaniv Green preferring that his buddy and countryman Dror Hajaj is named the starter.

 

Nice job Smack looking up the names - please keep us up to date on all. We are likely to get a post here when Carlos puts up a 20 point game how he should come back here and replace Jameer. I heard the same kind of rumblings that the coach already doesn't like Carlos, that he is racist and that the center has already told the coach that even though Carlos is a God, he wants his buddy Dror to start or he won't be happy. He doesn't care that Carlos is the greatest basketball player ever, he wants Dror to play.

[Knappy 0]

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Originally posted by CarlosDarwin:

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Marc Acres:

 

CarlosDarwin and Ibone, this one is especially for you guys. Rather than adding anymore into the Dwight thread, I am creating a brand new thread especially for you and anyone else that believes that Carlos was pushed out of town by Dwight, Jameer, Stan, The Easter Bunny, George W. Bush, Brett Favre, whoever.

 

I will be moving any posts that you make with regard to this subject in any other thread into this thread from here on out.

 

Thanks... but no thanks!

 

You know very well the real reason for you to use your power as a moderator to create this thread. You moved my answer here because you don't want to hear about the immaturity of Dwight Howard and because you are afraid that I might have the reason on this issue. The fact that you actually removed my post from the Dwight thread is censorship, just because you don't agree with (or maybe because it hurts to you) what I posted about Dwight.

 

I think that you are intolerant and therefore not fit to be a moderator!

 

Another thing, you do not have any right to decide to move any post to the place you want, I want to discuss Howard's immaturity, and there is where it should go!

 

I agree with you Darwin, I think the Magic ought to cut Dwight right now, buy out Carlos' contract and bring him back. Maybe Dwight can find a job in Tel Aviv - probably no other NBA team would want Dwight.

 

I for one like the debate to continue here in its own thread it is summer and it is boring with nothing happening. CarlosDarwin is like a fresh of breath air - he is like the return of Warriorsfan05, who I appreciated greatly.

[magic berto 0]

This is all Otis' fault... lol

 

Was it Stuckey that Detroit got with the pick for Darko and the messiah?

 

Now they have Stuckey and we have... this.

[NameLess Scrub 6]

I usually find CD's claims somewhat exaggerated and I usually find Knappy's responses an exaggeration of CD's claims....

 

Can we top that?

 

 

See what happens is that these blind, statue wearing, Carlos picture having blind Carlosians think, not me but them, that Carlos was so good that Dwight was afraid he and his buddy Jameer wouldn't have time to play due to Carlos playing PG and Center at the same time. SVG was also scared of looking like an expendable coach because Carlos could run the show.

 

For that, they conspired against him to make him look like he makes all the over dribbling, 13 TOs and 21 missed shots he was making.

 

All the NBA teams know that, so they conspired to make him look like he doesn't belong to the NBA by offering ridiculously low contracts, and he had to go to Israel, where all the scrubs go, so he didn't find himself with no pay for playing basketball. Carlos' fans want to make us think that Israeli team is any good.

 

Those blind fans think that, or at least say it to try and deny that he's so bad. Shame shame lol...

 

I hope I did a good job.

[Marc Acres 3:16 418]

Fantastic job Freex.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

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Originally posted by emory889:

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Originally posted by Arroyo fan:

Pardon me Tookie but I disagree. Marc change the topic tittle from The Great Carlos Arroyo Conspiracy to The Great Carlos Arroyo Debate. It was originally for fun.

 

And on why i disagree with you?

 

Carlos HAS quality to be on NBA. Explain me why he play 7 complete seasons in the NBA? You know what? He WILL be back on the NBA.

 

I would be willing to bet a paycheck that Carlos will never play in the NBA again. There is no question that he still has the talent to make an NBA roster right now but he opted to go to Israel because of the additional money that he will make. When that contract is over, I doubt very seriously that a NBA team will take a serious look at him. Besides, why would Carlos want to give up that beach house in Israel?

 

Actually Emory, I might take you up on that bet. Especially considering that he doesn't have to play out the full 3 years, he has an opt out for the NBA clause at the end of each year. He could use a great showing in the Euro's to springboard himself right back into the NBA.

[Captain Hi-Top 791]

Nice work Freex, I like the part where the Magic conspire to make Carlos over dribble! I imagine the team turn their backs on him and not running plays, standing still with their arms down until like 5 seconds left on the clock at which point they make a half hearted effort to get open. Jerks.

[I love my PTSD. 92]

These websites might help you understand the good feelings the Maccabbi team have about Carlos coming there.

 

I wonder why they left him off of the second one. It just doesn't seem Kosher.

 

English Site

 

For the purist