Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Soul Bro said: What’s the number Brogdon gets offered that the Bucks don’t match? 18 million a year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,419 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ?4thewin said: 18 million a year? What’s crazy is he’s the same age as Evan. However, it seems Brogdon might still be growing as a player, whereas Evan seems to have hit his ceiling. I personally believe it’s time for a culture shift on the Magic and would welcome a swap out of Brogdon for Fournier, as well as the decision to not re-up Vooch. Fournier is very inconsistent, and I don’t see Vooch as an anchor on a championship caliber team. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,210 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 9 hours ago, andrew2018022 said: Can confirm as both a Cowboys fan and as a fan of the team that stole their #1 pick away from them The Eagles getting booed off the field at half time of their season opener as defending Super Bowl Champions tells you everything you need to know about that fan base 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Nyce_1 said: If we dump EF's $17M & stretch TM, without renouncing Vuc and Ross, can we make a run at Brogdon? So, this is with a lot of assumptions, but just for arguments sake; we guarantee Iwundu, sign our #16 pick, manage to trade EF/2nd round pick for JR Smith and then waive JR Smith, and waive our rights to all our free agents except Ross/Birch. That would then give us about $23.5M in cap space - so we could then hypothetically offer Brogdon enough to prevent Milwaukee from matching, and still re-sign Ross and Birch. Player Cap Figure Aaron Gordon (24) $19,863,636 Markelle Fultz (21) $9,745,200 D.J. Augustin (31) $7,250,000 Jonathan Isaac (21) $5,806,440 Mohamed Bamba (21) $5,697,600 16th Pick @ 120% $3,117,000 Wesley Iwundu (24) $1,618,520 Melvin Frazier (23) $1,416,852 Sub-Total $54,515,248 2019-20 Dead Cap C.J. Watson $333,333 JR Smith $3,870,000 Timofey Mozgov $5,573,333 Sub-Total $9,776,666 2019-20 Cap Holds Terrence Ross (28) $15,750,000 Khem Birch (27) - RFA $1,818,520 Incomplete Roster $3,588,628 ($897,158 x 4) Sub-Total $21,157,148 Cap Type Active Roster Cap $54,515,248 Dead Money $9,776,666 Cap Holds $21,157,148 Total Salaries $85,449,062 2019 NBA Cap Max $109,000,000 Actual Cap Max Space $23,550,938 That would then give us this for a roster: Brogdon/Augustin/Fultz Ross/Iwundu Isaac/Frazier Gordon/16th pick(?) Bamba/Birch You would then probably need to fill roster spots 12-14(15?) with minimum contracts; what you ended up signing Brogdon/Ross/Birch for would obviously figure into that. You might have a $4-5M slot available for spot 12 and just have to fill the rest with minimums. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,210 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said: So, this is with a lot of assumptions, but just for arguments sake; we guarantee Iwundu, sign our #16 pick, manage to trade EF/2nd round pick for JR Smith and then waive JR Smith, and waive our rights to all our free agents except Ross/Birch. That would then give us about $23.5M in cap space - so we could then hypothetically offer Brogdon enough to prevent Milwaukee from matching, and still re-sign Ross and Birch. Player Cap Figure Aaron Gordon (24) $19,863,636 Markelle Fultz (21) $9,745,200 D.J. Augustin (31) $7,250,000 Jonathan Isaac (21) $5,806,440 Mohamed Bamba (21) $5,697,600 16th Pick @ 120% $3,117,000 Wesley Iwundu (24) $1,618,520 Melvin Frazier (23) $1,416,852 Sub-Total $54,515,248 2019-20 Dead Cap C.J. Watson $333,333 JR Smith $3,870,000 Timofey Mozgov $5,573,333 Sub-Total $9,776,666 2019-20 Cap Holds Terrence Ross (28) $15,750,000 Khem Birch (27) - RFA $1,818,520 Incomplete Roster $3,588,628 ($897,158 x 4) Sub-Total $21,157,148 Cap Type Active Roster Cap $54,515,248 Dead Money $9,776,666 Cap Holds $21,157,148 Total Salaries $85,449,062 2019 NBA Cap Max $109,000,000 Actual Cap Max Space $23,550,938 If we came to terms on a new deal with Terrence that was cheaper than his hold, say 2/$24 mill, that’d add the difference in the hold to our available cap space, so it’d bring us up to just over $27 mill. That’s DLo money if we wanted to make an RFA offer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said: If we came to terms on a new deal with Terrence that was cheaper than his hold, say 2/$24 mill, that’d add the difference in the hold to our available cap space, so it’d bring us up to just over $27 mill. That’s DLo money if we wanted to make an RFA offer True, but I'm not sure that someone won't make Ross a better offer than that. Also, DLo is another PG that is really only effective with the ball in his hands, so how does that impact Fultz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,210 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said: True, but I'm not sure that someone won't make Ross a better offer than that. Also, DLo is another PG that is really only effective with the ball in his hands, so how does that impact Fultz? DLo was just an example of the range we’d be in. We’d have max RFA/4 year player money. I’m not sure if Ross would get offered more than $12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said: DLo was just an example of the range we’d be in. We’d have max RFA/4 year player money. I’m not sure if Ross would get offered more than $12. I think your expectation of Ross' value is really low, but we will see once free agency opens up. Please note, I am not pushing for this option/path, I am just saying that's how the numbers work. I personally think that basically giving away Fournier for cap space, and waiving all our free agents but Ross/Birch for nothing but cap space is a very risky plan with a very small chance of actually working. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,210 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, jmmagicfan said: I think your expectation of Ross' value is really low, but we will see once free agency opens up. Please note, I am not pushing for this option/path, I am just saying that's how the numbers work. I personally think that basically giving away Fournier for cap space, and waiving all our free agents but Ross/Birch for nothing but cap space is a very risky plan with a very small chance of actually working. Yeah, I agree and I think patience will wind up being our best route. We don’t know what we have in Fultz or Bamba yet and we shouldn’t make any extreme moves that would hinder either of their development yet. I don’t think I’m valuing Ross too low. What do you think he’ll get paid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said: Yeah, I agree and I think patience will wind up being our best route. We don’t know what we have in Fultz or Bamba yet and we shouldn’t make any extreme moves that would hinder either of their development yet. I don’t think I’m valuing Ross too low. What do you think he’ll get paid? I personally think he will get an offer from another team for somewhere around 3/$44M or 4/$61M, which is basically starting at $14M with 5% increases per year. I wouldn't be shocked too much to see him get an offer starting over $15M. Will Barton got 4/$53M last year, and Marcus Smart got 4/$52M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 Team's playoff hopes rising and falling based on the performance of their 6th and 7th men this year might inflate Ross' value. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 302 Report post Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, jmmagicfan said: I personally think he (Ross) will get an offer from another team for somewhere around 3/$44M or 4/$61M, which is basically starting at $14M with 5% increases per year. I wouldn't be shocked too much to see him get an offer starting over $15M. Will Barton got 4/$53M last year, and Marcus Smart got 4/$52M. 8 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: Team's playoff hopes rising and falling based on the performance of their 6th and 7th men this year might inflate Ross' value. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
