2017 Official Offseason Thread

[Originalticketholder 133]

Since shooting is our biggest need, my hope is, at least, we give a 3rd year #5 draft pick like Mario H. a chance? After all he is a shooter. Not sure he can even succeed here but he has not had a chance, even if he is to blame. Hope he is working hard on his game this offseason and surprises us all.

[Magicman28 295]

According to @WindhorstESPN, the Suns would consider trading Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson, and a Pick for Kyrie Irving.

[HeHateMe 697]

I'm just keeping it in perspective because there is a possibility Irving comes here, drops 25 a game and it does not equate into wins or he winds up injured. All the while Isaac "maybe" becomes a taller shot blocking Kawhi.

 

How much better is Irving gonna get? Does he really make a team that much better? Is he the Devin Booker of PG'S?

 

Kyrie is 24.

 

He could easily become a 30ppg scorer.

 

Still, you take that "risk". I don't see it as a risk. If Issac becomes better then Irving, so he it.

 

Irving does make a team better. Cavs don't win a title without Irving. He's clutch as hell.

[MagicFanInNevada 51]

They're doubling down on him to prove a point that they nailed the draft despite the criticism from fans and media.

 

I'm kidding, I don't think that's really why but it's my Iwundu theory.

 

Could Iwundu be like another Trevor Ariza in a few years? I know he's not as athletic but he has similar tools in my opinion.

[Magicman28 295]

Kyrie is 24.

 

He could easily become a 30ppg scorer.

 

Still, you take that "risk". I don't see it as a risk. If Issac becomes better then Irving, so he it.

 

Irving does make a team better. Cavs don't win a title without Irving. He's clutch as hell.

 

 

25 but yeah...

 

He probably could drop 30 a game.

Still though, is he the Devin Booker of PG'S?

 

Cavs don't get into the playoffs without LBJ.

 

 

He is clutch though and can put the ball in the basket.

It's just everywhere else that I'm meh about. Plus 3 of his 6 seasons he played 51, 59, and 53 games.

[HeHateMe 697]

25 but yeah...

 

He probably could drop 30 a game.

Still though, is he the Devin Booker of PG'S?

 

Cavs don't get into the playoffs without LBJ.

 

 

He is clutch though and can put the ball in the basket.

It's just everywhere else that I'm meh about. Plus 3 of his 6 seasons he played 51, 59, and 53 games.

 

24 almost all of last year.

 

Cavs don't get into playoffs without LBJ!? Are you serious? Sure they do.

[Mauro Pedrosa 1,032]

Trade AG and stuff for Kyrie

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Trade AG and stuff for Kyrie

 

Still think isaac is a better bet for them. They need to find an avenue to cap relief and rookie contracts help that

[Franchero MVP 391]

Wait...People are afraid of breaking up a 29 win team for a champion and an all star?

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

25 but yeah...

 

He probably could drop 30 a game.

Still though, is he the Devin Booker of PG'S?

 

Cavs don't get into the playoffs without LBJ.

 

 

He is clutch though and can put the ball in the basket.

It's just everywhere else that I'm meh about. Plus 3 of his 6 seasons he played 51, 59, and 53 games.

 

 

I get what you're saying because he's a flawed player but i think Irving has more elite gifts than Booker ands that's represented more in their PER comparison.

 

 

It's not going to be get Irving, win championships. But it will be get Irving, build the "Iverson" team around him which you're already halfway there with a Irving -Simmons- Ross - Gordon or Isaac - biyombo lineup. Mack backing him up. Maybe grab afflalo. Have a legitimate chance at a 5 seed. Have a reasonable shot at the second round. Convince another star to come play with him.

[Magicman28 295]

Wait...People are afraid of breaking up a 29 win team for a champion and an all star?

 

 

Afraid of trading for a player who in 3 seasons had wins of 21, 24, and 33 before the best player in the NBA joined? Afraid of mortgaging the future for a guy who in 3 other seasons played around 50 games and a guy who's probably while shoots a great percentage is horrible at distributing and defense?

 

Not at all.

[Magicman28 295]

I get what you're saying because he's a flawed player but i think Irving has more elite gifts than Booker ands that's represented more in their PER comparison.

 

 

It's not going to be get Irving, win championships. But it will be get Irving, build the "Iverson" team around him which you're already halfway there with a Irving -Simmons- Ross - Gordon or Isaac - biyombo lineup. Mack backing him up. Maybe grab afflalo. Have a legitimate chance at a 5 seed. Have a reasonable shot at the second round. Convince another star to come play with him.

 

 

But here's my thing. LBJ is probably the only star you can pair him with because of his distribution rate.

 

Check this out

 

"Irving was one of 10 guards this past season to surrender 50 percent shooting or better from the floor in 1-on-1 situations. While most point guards throughout the league are thought to be pretty weak defensively, Irving’s offense-defense balance is particularly lopsided. In NBA history, there have only been six player seasons in which a guard had a usage rate of 30 percent or more (meaning the percentage of a team’s plays that end with that player shooting or turning the ball over) while logging 1.5 defensive win shares or fewer. Two of those six campaigns belong to Irving, including this past season, according to Basketball-Reference.com.

 

Irving often gets tunnel vision on his way to the basket. His 27.6 percent pass rate out of drives was fourth-lowest among starting point guards. His assist-to-turnover ratio varied considerably this past season — from a lofty 2.59 (think John Wall) to a mediocre 1.78 (think Austin Rivers) — depending on whether James was on the court with him.

 

Most concerning: Irving and the Cavs were outscored by 8 points per 100 possessions this season without James on the court, a night-and-day difference from the 9 points per 100 plays they outscored opponents by when Irving played with James. Over the past three seasons, Irving and his teammates have been outscored by 94 points over almost 2,000 minutes when James is resting, according to NBA.com. The challenge may be rooted in the fact that Irving’s preferred 1-on-1 style of offense fits with James’s — who can take occasional breathers while his teammate goes to work — but throws his teammates out of rhythm when James is off the floor"

 

 

I think he comes here and we still suck. But at least he's putting up godly scoring numbers. Essentially Booker with better shooting numbers.

 

I know me and you don't see the same with Isaac but that potential defense, length, and shot...If he's groomed right? Irvings history of injuries and style of basketball? I think it's a lot riskier once you dig a little deeper into Kyrie.