2017 Official Offseason Thread

[Ibn Battuta 127]

On paper Philly is bound to battle injuries.

 

35 wins is pretty realistic.

 

If you want to be pessimistic because that's who you are, 30

wins would be ideal but anything less than that is a colossal failure and Vogel might get shown the door.

 

Even if they lose Embiid for the year, they will have Simmons and Fultz and Redick and Covington and Saric. That is enough to compete for the 8th seed. And way more talent than what we have. It's not about being pessimistic, just realistic. Do you all remember this time last year when we were all hyped about Biyombo and co? If we all we end up doing is add two rookies and a small signing, how does that realistically get us 35 wins???

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

35 wins is way optimistic. Every team in western conference top to bottom got better than us. Even the Kings added some pieces, and on paper are better than us. The east is still top heavy but teams like the Hornets who had a down year should be fighting for playoff spot. Philly will be making noise as well. That leaves our team with the likes of the Bulls, Nets, Pacers, and Hawks a clear step below the rest of the east. If those are the only beatable opponents then 25 wins is more realistic.

 

its a good thing we don't play in the west. And you don't only beat the beatable teams.

 

you underestimate the negative impact of Jeff Green. If Isaac can just have a Justice Winslow type rookie season in place of Green that would have been a dramatic difference.

 

You take the same starting lineup post all star and make the backups just reasonably bad instead of league worst and how many more games do they win. Payton-Fournier-ross-Gordon vucevic (or biyombo) were both positive lineups.

 

we're going to end up cutting 7 of the worst 8 players on the team from last year post all star. And if you can push augustin to third string you're setting yourself up for a big boost.

[Ibn Battuta 127]

Can give them that OKC pick. We can give them Watson who's only guaranteed 1 million of his 5 million this year and just can waive him. They don't necessarily need an player.

It's all to make room for Hayward. Smart makes just a shade over 4 million, Boston needs 4 million in space to get Hayward.

 

No one is saying we have to over pay him.

 

Of course nobody is saying to overpay but all it takes is one team to offer a sizable deal, then we are left to match or lose him for the pick we gave up.

[Magicman28 295]

Even if they lose Embiid for the year, they will have Simmons and Fultz and Redick and Covington and Saric. That is enough to compete for the 8th seed. And way more talent than what we have. It's not about being pessimistic, just realistic. Do you all remember this time last year when we were all hyped about Biyombo and co? If we all we end up doing is add two rookies and a small signing, how does that realistically get us 35 wins???

 

 

Continuity with a coaches system has value. We finished last year with 29 wins on Vogel's first year. That continuity and finding an more defined identity as an team and direction should warrant more wins. Not even equating advanced development by players working over the summer.

 

We also subtracted Jeff Green. That alone warrants some wins.

[Magicman28 295]

Of course nobody is saying to overpay but all it takes is one team to offer a sizable deal, then we are left to match or lose him for the pick we gave up.

 

Decision one has to make but you don't worry about that right now.

 

Pick is probably gonna be worthless.

[Ibn Battuta 127]

its a good thing we don't play in the west. And you don't only beat the beatable teams.

 

you underestimate the negative impact of Jeff Green. If Isaac can just have a Justice Winslow type rookie season in place of Green that would have been a dramatic difference.

 

You take the same starting lineup post all star and make the backups just reasonably bad instead of league worst and how many more games do they win. Payton-Fournier-ross-Gordon vucevic (or biyombo) were both positive lineups.

 

we're going to end up cutting 7 of the worst 8 players on the team from last year post all star. And if you can push augustin to third string you're setting yourself up for a big boost.

That's all well and good but I see your comparisons are from last season and you aren't really taking improvements of other teams in consideration for the upcoming season. It doesn't make sense for me to compare backwards that way.

 

What I see is two rookies and possibly a couple small signings. Unless we pull a big trade. I don't see this boost you speak of.

 

And as easy as it is to hate on Jeff Green his subtraction is not going to magically make us several wins better.

[Jay Magic 1,251]

Even if they lose Embiid for the year, they will have Simmons and Fultz and Redick and Covington and Saric. That is enough to compete for the 8th seed. And way more talent than what we have. It's not about being pessimistic, just realistic. Do you all remember this time last year when we were all hyped about Biyombo and co? If we all we end up doing is add two rookies and a small signing, how does that realistically get us 35 wins???

 

That 76er team is not better than us haha

[Ibn Battuta 127]

Continuity with a coaches system has value. We finished last year with 29 wins on Vogel's first year. That continuity and finding an more defined identity as an team and direction should warrant more wins. Not even equating advanced development by players working over the summer.

 

We also subtracted Jeff Green. That alone warrants some wins.

 

As of right now we have the same roster as last season. Unless the rooks come in and take the league by storm, it is not unreasonable to expect this team to have similar results as last season and slightly worse in this case. Even if you talk up continuity, at least keep in mind Isaac will not get everything day one and will make a ton of mistakes which will affect team chemistry. Same with Iwundu if he gets burn, and that's on top of Hezonja and Payton inconsistencies.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

That's all well and good but I see your comparisons are from last season and you aren't really taking improvements of other teams in consideration for the upcoming season. It doesn't make sense for me to compare backwards that way.

 

What I see is two rookies and possibly a couple small signings. Unless we pull a big trade. I don't see this boost you speak of.

 

I'm not worried about other teams. someone is going to suffer a bunch of injuries (it could even be us). a good team will be worse than anticipated. Atlanta and Utah might throw 30 wins back into the pile.

 

I think this year might be like 06/07 where few teams are tanking and half the league ends up with 30-41 wins.

[Magicman28 295]

As of right now we have the same roster as last season. Unless the rooks come in and take the league by storm, it is not unreasonable to expect this team to have similar results as last season and slightly worse in this case. Even if you talk up continuity, at least keep in mind Isaac will not get everything day one and will make a ton of mistakes which will affect team chemistry. Same with Iwundu if he gets burn, and that's on top of Hezonja and Payton inconsistencies.

 

 

You really underestimate Green's negative impact on the team.

 

Isaac can literally be Channing Frye like production and we're better than last year.

[HeHateMe 697]

That 76er team is not better than us haha

 

I think they're easily better then us. Fultz will be better than Payton this year. Simmons is gonna have a learning curve but he'll still be an impact rookie.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

As of right now we have the same roster as last season. Unless the rooks come in and take the league by storm, it is not unreasonable to expect this team to have similar results as last season and slightly worse in this case. Even if you talk up continuity, at least keep in mind Isaac will not get everything day one and will make a ton of mistakes which will affect team chemistry. Same with Iwundu if he gets burn, and that's on top of Hezonja and Payton inconsistencies.

 

we don't have the same roster. we've already removed Green, Rudez, meeks, watson should be cut or traded by sunday. Green and Watson were big parts in the rotation. you fill those spots with replacement level players and that's a dramatic change.

 

 

we don't need Isaac to take the league by storm. we need him to be replacement level. We need him to be Dante Cunningham. If he's Malcolm Brogdon we're in fantastic shape.