TrueBlueDrew 75 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 So Payton posted that most of the draftees in the last 10 years have been failures. This sentence intrigued me so I did a little digging. Here are the top 10 draft picks for the last 10 years. 2014 Andrew Wiggins Jabari Parker Joel Embiid Aaron Gordon Dante Exum Marcus Smart Julius Randle Nik Stauskas Noah Vonleh Elfrid Payton 2013 Anthony Bennett Victor Oladipo Otto Porter Cody Zeller Alex Len Nerleans Noel Ben McLemore Kentavious Caldwell-Pope Trey Burke CJ McCollum 2012 Anthony Davis Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Bradley Beal Dion Waiters Thomas Robinson Damian Lillard Harrison Barnes Terrance Ross Andre Drummond Austin Rivers 2011 Kyrie Irving Derrick Williams Enes Kanter Tristan Thompson Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Brandon Knight Kemba Walker Jimmer Fredette 2010 John Wall Evan Turner Derrick Favors Wesley Johnson DeMarcus Cousins Ekpe Udoh Greg Monroe Al-Farouq Aminu Gordon Hayward Paul George 2009 Blake Griffin Hasheem Thabeet James Harden Tyreke Evans Ricky Rubio Jonny Flynn Stephen Curry Jordan Hill DeMar DeRozan Brandon Jennings 2008 Derrick Rose Michael Beasley OJ Mayo Russell Westbrook Kevin Love Danilo Gallinari Eric Gordon Joe Alexander DJ Augustin Brook Lopez 2007 Greg Oden Kevin Durant Al Horford Mike Conley Jeff Green Yi Jianlian Corey Brewer Brandan Wright Joakim Noah Spencer Hawes 2006 Andrea Bargnani LaMarcus Aldridge Adam Morrison Tyrus Thomas Shelden Williams Brandon Roy Randy Foye Rudy Gay Patrick O'Bryant Mouhamed Sene 2005 Andrew Bogut Marvin Williams Deron Williams Chris Paul Raymond Felton Martell Webster Charlie Villanueva Channing Frye Ike Diogu Andrew Bynum The ones in bold are in my opinion the ones who have failed or are failing currently in their careers. I based that by looking at their stats and their draft status. It seems like the theme has been that out of the top 10, 7 of them will be serviceable if not really good and three will be duds. According to DraftExpress this morning this is the top 10 for the 2015 draft Karl Towns Jahlil Okafor D'Angelo Russell Emmanuel Mudiay Mario Hezonja Willie Cauley-Stein Justise Winslow Kristaps Porzingis Stanley Johnson Kelly Oubre I don't see many potential duds in this top 10 except for maybe the bottom 3. I think everyone else will be serviceable and/or a success. What do you think? Does the top 10 generate more duds than players? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 So Payton posted that most of the draftees in the last 10 years have been failures. This sentence intrigued me so I did a little digging. Here are the top 10 draft picks for the last 10 years. 2014 Andrew Wiggins Jabari Parker Joel Embiid Aaron Gordon Dante Exum Marcus Smart Julius Randle Nik Stauskas Noah Vonleh Elfrid Payton 2013 Anthony Bennett Victor Oladipo Otto Porter Cody Zeller Alex Len Nerleans Noel Ben McLemore Kentavious Caldwell-Pope Trey Burke CJ McCollum 2012 Anthony Davis Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Bradley Beal Dion Waiters Thomas Robinson Damian Lillard Harrison Barnes Terrance Ross Andre Drummond Austin Rivers 2011 Kyrie Irving Derrick Williams Enes Kanter Tristan Thompson Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Brandon Knight Kemba Walker Jimmer Fredette 2010 John Wall Evan Turner Derrick Favors Wesley Johnson DeMarcus Cousins Ekpe Udoh Greg Monroe Al-Farouq Aminu Gordon Hayward Paul George 2009 Blake Griffin Hasheem Thabeet James Harden Tyreke Evans Ricky Rubio Jonny Flynn Stephen Curry Jordan Hill DeMar DeRozan Brandon Jennings 2008 Derrick Rose Michael Beasley OJ Mayo Russell Westbrook Kevin Love Danilo Gallinari Eric Gordon Joe Alexander DJ Augustin Brook Lopez 2007 Greg Oden Kevin Durant Al Horford Mike Conley Jeff Green Yi Jianlian Corey Brewer Brandan Wright Joakim Noah Spencer Hawes 2006 Andrea Bargnani LaMarcus Aldridge Adam Morrison Tyrus Thomas Shelden Williams Brandon Roy Randy Foye Rudy Gay Patrick O'Bryant Mouhamed Sene 2005 Andrew Bogut Marvin Williams Deron Williams Chris Paul Raymond Felton Martell Webster Charlie Villanueva Channing Frye Ike Diogu Andrew Bynum The ones in bold are in my opinion the ones who have failed or are failing currently in their careers. I based that by looking at their stats and their draft status. It seems like the theme has been that out of the top 10, 7 of them will be serviceable if not really good and three will be duds. According to DraftExpress this morning this is the top 10 for the 2015 draft Karl Towns Jahlil Okafor D'Angelo Russell Emmanuel Mudiay Mario Hezonja Willie Cauley-Stein Justise Winslow Kristaps Porzingis Stanley Johnson Kelly Oubre I don't see many potential duds in this top 10 except for maybe the bottom 3. I think everyone else will be serviceable and/or a success. What do you think? Does the top 10 generate more duds than players? You think Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett, Wes Johnson, Marvin Williams, Bargnani, etc were worth top 5 picks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrueBlueDrew 75 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 And if you're interested...here are the Magic's draft picks the last couple of years 2014 Aaron Gordon (1st 4th) Dario Saric which turned into Elfrid Payton (1st 12th) 2013 Victor Oladipo (1st 2nd) Romero Osby (2nd 51st) 2012 Andrew Nicholson (1st 19th) Kyle O'Quinn (2nd 49th) 2011 DeAndre Liggins (2nd 53rd) 2010 Daniel Orton (1st 29th) Stanley Robinson (2nd 59th) 2009 N/A 2008 Courtney Lee (1st 22nd) 2007 Reyshawn Terry (2nd 44th) (traded to Dallas for Cash, in the same trade as Hedo to Toronto) 2006 JJ Redick (1st 11th) James Augustine (2nd 41st) Lior Eliyahu (2nd 44th) (traded to Houston for Cash) 2005 Fran Vazquez (1st 11th) Travis Diener (2nd 38th) Martynas Andriuskevicius (2nd 44th) (traded to Cleveland for a 2006 2nd round pick and Cash) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrueBlueDrew 75 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 You think Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett, Wes Johnson, Marvin Williams, Bargnani, etc were worth top 5 picks? I think they're serviceable and not failures. Were they game changing players? No. But I would classify their careers as failures. Disappointments? Sure. But not failures. Also what we knew of them at the time, it made sense. Hindsight is always 20/20. The only one of that list that I would consider calling a failed career so far is Thomas Robinson. But he is only 3-4 years in the league. I wanted to give him some more time. Same with Bennett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 I think they're serviceable and not failures. Were they game changing players? No. But I would classify their careers as failures. Disappointments? Sure. But not failures. They're failed draft picks. If Hennigan turned 2, 4, and 5 into Anthony Bennett, Wes Johnson, and Marvin Williams we'd be the worst team in the league and Hennigan would be kicked out of the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrueBlueDrew 75 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 They're failed draft picks. If Hennigan turned 2, 4, and 5 into Anthony Bennett, Wes Johnson, and Marvin Williams we'd be the worst team in the league and Hennigan would be kicked out of the league. Williams is one that I looked at because I was about to put his name in bold, but he had like 8 years in a row where he averaged double digit scoring and hasn't shot below 42% for his career. I don't think that can be qualified as a failure. The jury is still out on Bennett, he started to play well toward the end of the season last year. I agree with you about Wes Johnson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mauro Pedrosa 1,032 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 Bennett might be the worst #1 pick ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrueBlueDrew 75 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 Bennett might be the worst #1 pick ever Greg Oden says hi haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mauro Pedrosa 1,032 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 By the way, the 2013 draft stunk. It might not have a single all-star when everything's said and done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mauro Pedrosa 1,032 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 I have the feeling that WCS will be somewhere between terrible and incredibly mediocre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,483 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 I actually think WCS could be a great defensive player. But he'll probably always be the worst offensive player on the court for his team and he'll have trouble guarding the post against big bruising post players. If he gets with the right system and coach I could see him being an All Defensive team player at least once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 Greg Oden says hi haha Greg Oden was the right pick. He is an injury bust, not a talent bust. IMO, those are 2 entirely different things. Anthony Bennett could and probably will go down as the worse #1 pick of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
