Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 We should probably overpay for robin Lopez I made an internal bet with myself that you would continue to make immature posts while trying to police a forum focused on pretty specific basketball discussion. I won. But thanks for providing the thread with depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 I don't believe Davis is a worse rim protector than Frye BTW. He's just not a huge upgrade. I do believe there are fewer guys good at this skill than is put out there and the term rim protector is being used too liberally right now. That was my point when I started talking about WCS as well. Then why did you post statistics indicating he was and then defend the stats and metrics? Now I'm confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Then why did you post statistics indicating he was and then defend the stats and metrics? Now I'm confused. Yeah I'm saying we have a guy who shot 39% from 3 and played the same amount of minutes as Davis did. And he was not as bad on defense as people think (even though he was not great by any means). People are hating the WCS pick and saying we need offense, but they want to swap out a stretch 4 like Frye for a guy like Davis and I just find that contradictory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Show me a better rim protection stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 I made an internal bet with myself that you would continue to make immature posts while trying to police a forum focused on pretty specific basketball discussion. I won. But thanks for providing the thread with depth. Holy crap this was an honest post. He's a ufa and teams generally do better defensively with him on the court. Overpaying him with something like a 4/32 contract might be worth it in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 The more research I do on Porzingis the more comfortable I am with the pick if that's the way it goes. Same for WCS. Wow this is a good draft year. I'm comfortable with just about anyone from presumed 5s Winslow/Mario/Porz/WCS to outliers I've heard mentioned here and there like Kaminsky/Oubre/Johnson/Turner. So deep, this draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NittanyBuc 757 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Well this is weird... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Magicblue, show me one. And the point - Ed Davis is overrated as a rim protector. He is not bad - 1.5 blocks per game, but he contributed the same amount of minutes as Frye did. We already have a guy in Dedmon who can defend. He just didn't get enough games or minutes to show up in many of these stats. The point is that we probably don't need Ed Davis unless we trade both Nicholson and Frye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Do people on here think I'm consistently some condescending jerk all of the time? I mean, I certainly do that sometimes, but when I do I lay it on pretty thick so there's no confusion in my meaning. If I wanted to be a jerk I'd say give robin Lopez the max. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Magicblue, show me one. And the point - Ed Davis is overrated as a rim protector. He is not bad - 1.5 blocks per game, but he contributed the same amount of minutes as Frye did. We already have a guy in Dedmon who can defend. He just didn't get enough games or minutes to show up in many of these stats. The point is that we probably don't need Ed Davis unless we trade both Nicholson and Frye. Any rim protection stat/ranking that puts Frye above Anthony Davis is inherently flawed and should be rendered unreliable. This is pretty much common sense. Whether it's the best out there is irrelevant to its usefulness. You're saying its the best and then saying you also don't agree with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Do people on here think I'm consistently some condescending jerk all of the time? I mean, I certainly do that sometimes, No. You answered your own question. You can't come at me or anyone else for things you admittedly do sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Catman 380 Report post Posted June 4, 2015 Any rim protection stat/ranking that puts Frye above Anthony Davis is inherently flawed and should be rendered unreliable. This is pretty much common sense. Whether it's the best out there is irrelevant to its usefulness. You're saying its the best and then saying you also don't agree with it. Nylon Calculus is one of the most highly respected blogs for NBA analytics. If you read the stats properly you will see that Anthony Davis played more minutes then Frye and Davis who played the same minutes at the same position. Anthony Davis guarded multiple positions and as a result it is harder to calculate his %. He is an alien and therefore an outlier for this type of statistic. What actually is common sense is to know how Anthony Davis plays his game before looking at those numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
