Trade Details to stop the negativity

[BigPoppaV 9]

Everyone is saying that the trade was not good. Hennigan just set the Magic up for an AMAZING 2014 summer.

Along with the 6 players that were received in the trade he also got 3 first round draft picks 2 second round picks and a 17.8 million dollar trade exception.

The magic will be around 30 million under the cap in 2014.

 

The real fans will support the rebuilding process.....

[MagicFanInNevada 51]

I totally agree bro,

 

I'm very excited for this upcoming season and what Henny has in store towards our future.

 

Vucevic, Harkless, and Nicholson will be key to our future. The 3 of them have tremendous upside and seem to have the smarts and work ethic to want to be great.

[BigPoppaV 9]

I totally agree bro,

 

I'm very excited for this upcoming season and what Henny has in store towards our future.

 

Vucevic, Harkless, and Nicholson will be key to our future. The 3 of them have tremendous upside and seem to have the smarts and work ethic to want to be great.

 

 

 

Besides Vucevic and Harkless are both 1st round draft picks.

Harkless was 15th pick this year

Vucevic was 16th pick last year

[skinnyhoops 12]

I agree as well, Hennigan is smarter than swapping for overpaid garbage that will leave the Magic exiting 2nd round in the playoffs at best. He knows that it also takes strategy and money to bulid a championship caliber team. So here we are...the waiting period. Just enjoy the games for the next couple of years. The magic will not be favored to win most games, so when the Magic do win, it will be exhilerating! I'm also looking forward to 2014 summer, but who knows, maybe hennigan will surprise us in the meantime with something else.

 

Also don't forget who's really to blame for all of this, the new management is just cleaning up what the other management left behind. And you can't forget to mention Dwight Howard. So disgusted by how secret he was for so long, then demanding a trade, then signing a waiver saying he wants to stay, then boom, he wants to get traded again. Love the guy, he's a baller but damn, just not the same Dwight Howard we know from the "Sticker Dunk" ....or "Superman dunk". That guy vanished at some point last year.

[triplefive 6]

why excitement for 2014 free agent class?

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/

 

who realistically are we going to get from that list that will really upgrade this team? The only ones worth mentioning are james, bosh, wade, anthony (all would have to use ETO, which I seriously doubt) and the others arent good enough or will be much older.

[Jareth Cutestory 678]

why excitement for 2014 free agent class?

 

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/

 

who realistically are we going to get from that list that will really upgrade this team? The only ones worth mentioning are james, bosh, wade, anthony (all would have to use ETO, which I seriously doubt) and the others arent good enough or will be much older.

 

Probably won't ever be a free agent available in the next 10 years that we should sign to be honest.

[Franchero MVP 391]

Chris Duhon is a FA in 2014? 4 years/25 million. Let's do it.

[nbr 15]

With the crux of the deal out, I've come to acknowledge the path we've taken and the potential of our future because of this trade.

[SmackDaddy 30]

Personally, I tink it's hilarious that the Magic are getting slammed for this trade when the Nuggets have been praised from Denver to the pearly white gates for the deal they pulled off.

 

Nuggets deal:

Carmelo, Billups, Williams, Carter and Balkman

for

Chandler, Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov, (1) first round pick, (2) 2nd round picks, and 3million cash.

 

 

Magic deal:

Dwight, JRich, Duhon, Earl Clark

for

Aflalo, Harrington, Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, Nicola Vucevic, Moe Harkless, (3) first round picks, (2) 2nd round picks, and a reported 17mil TPE

 

Comparison going out:

The Nuggets traded away (2) hall of fame players, and provided the Knicks with either cap relief in the form of Billups. Carter was a couple million worth of cap relief, and Balkman was a previous first round pick. The Magic traded away an all-world center, but also unburdened themselves of two Otis follies. The inclusion of Earl Clark is a bit frustrating since young players with upside that play on the cheap are seemingly what we need to rebuild, but you never know what was demanded of us to make things work, or if Earl's inclusion specifically garnered us more in a return package.

 

Comparison coming back:

The Nuggets received Chandler, a 7.4mil per season 13ppg guy, similar to what the Magic received in Aflalo. Felton who was underwhelming in a Nuggets jersey and unhappy about being underutilized alongside rookie Ty Lawson, was parlayed into Andre Miller & the #26pick in the very next draft. The Magic can similarly trade veteran Harrington away for compensation in the form of additional picks, or use his non-guaranteed, soon to expire contract as additional cap space. The Nuggets plucked overrated, injury risk Gallinari from the Knicks. Gallinari has missed roughly 50 games, 30 games and 20 games respectively in three of his four NBA seasons while averaging 15ppg and 5rpg. The Magic have added Moe Harkless, who hasn't stepped foot on an NBA court yet, but who was one of the most talked about players to improve his draft status during workouts. The Nuggets received Mozgov and the Magic received Vucevic - a push.

 

Out of what's remaining from the two deals, the Magic severely have the upperhand. The Nuggets got the expiring contract of Anthony Carter, we got the expiring contract of Josh McRoberts. The Nuggest received (3) picks, the Magic received (5) picks. The Nuggets received 3million cash, The Magic received a 17mil TPE. The cherry on top for the Magic is high flying dunk machine Eyenga.

 

IMO, the Magic deal is CLEARLY better than the Nuggets deal, leading me to ask, do the Magic ever get a fair shake with the media?

[Jareth Cutestory 678]

Personally, I tink it's hilarious that the Magic are getting slammed for this trade when the Nuggets have been praised from Denver to the pearly white gates for the deal they pulled off.

 

Nuggets deal:

Carmelo, Billups, Williams, Carter and Balkman

for

Chandler, Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov, (1) first round pick, (2) 2nd round picks, and 3million cash.

 

 

Magic deal:

Dwight, JRich, Duhon, Earl Clark

for

Aflalo, Harrington, Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, Nicola Vucevic, Moe Harkless, (3) first round picks, (2) 2nd round picks, and a reported 17mil TPE

 

Comparison going out:

The Nuggets traded away (2) hall of fame players, and provided the Knicks with either cap relief in the form of Billups. Carter was a couple million worth of cap relief, and Balkman was a previous first round pick. The Magic traded away an all-world center, but also unburdened themselves of two Otis follies. The inclusion of Earl Clark is a bit frustrating since young players with upside that play on the cheap are seemingly what we need to rebuild, but you never know what was demanded of us to make things work, or if Earl's inclusion specifically garnered us more in a return package.

 

Comparison coming back:

The Nuggets received Chandler, a 7.4mil per season 13ppg guy, similar to what the Magic received in Aflalo. Felton who was underwhelming in a Nuggets jersey and unhappy about being underutilized alongside rookie Ty Lawson, was parlayed into Andre Miller & the #26pick in the very next draft. The Magic can similarly trade veteran Harrington away for compensation in the form of additional picks, or use his non-guaranteed, soon to expire contract as additional cap space. The Nuggets plucked overrated, injury risk Gallinari from the Knicks. Gallinari has missed roughly 50 games, 30 games and 20 games respectively in three of his four NBA seasons while averaging 15ppg and 5rpg. The Magic have added Moe Harkless, who hasn't stepped foot on an NBA court yet, but who was one of the most talked about players to improve his draft status during workouts. The Nuggets received Mozgov and the Magic received Vucevic - a push.

 

Out of what's remaining from the two deals, the Magic severely have the upperhand. The Nuggets got the expiring contract of Anthony Carter, we got the expiring contract of Josh McRoberts. The Nuggest received (3) picks, the Magic received (5) picks. The Nuggets received 3million cash, The Magic received a 17mil TPE. The cherry on top for the Magic is high flying dunk machine Eyenga.

 

IMO, the Magic deal is CLEARLY better than the Nuggets deal, leading me to ask, do the Magic ever get a fair shake with the media?

 

 

Lol I've been preaching this since Friday.

[Nyce_1 311]

Smackdaddy? Whoa!

[You're Fat, Pat! 98]

Check out the breakdown from the Sentinel of the draft picks we received and the crazy amount of restrictions, conditions, etc.

 

2014 first-round pick from the Denver Nuggets

The Nuggets have two first-round picks in 2014: their own pick and a pick from the New York Knicks. The Magic will receive the less favorable of the two picks.

 

One future first-round pick from the Philadelphia 76ers

This pick is tied to a previous trade between the Sixers and the Miami Heat, and the Magic cannot receive the pick from the Sixers from the Howard deal until the Sixers satisfy their prior commitment to the Heat.

 

Here’s the CliffsNotes version:

• If the Sixers make the playoffs in 2012-13, the Magic will receive a protected Sixers first-round pick in 2015.

• If the Sixers don’t make the playoffs until 2013-14, the Magic will receive a protected Sixers first-round pick in 2016.

• Even if the Sixers still haven’t made the playoffs by 2014-15, the Magic will receive a protected Sixers first-round pick in 2017.

 

Now, remember that the pick the Magic are getting will be protected. Here are the terms of that protection:

• 2015 draft: The Magic will receive the pick if it falls from 15th overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to 14th overall, Philly will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a protected first-round pick in 2016.

 

• 2016 draft: The Magic will receive the pick if it falls from 15th overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to 14th overall, Philly will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a protected first-round pick in 2017.

 

• 2017 draft: The Magic will receive the pick if it falls from 12th overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to 11th overall, Philly will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a protected first-round pick in 2018.

 

• 2018 draft: The Magic will keep the pick if it falls from ninth overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to eighth overall, Philly will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a second-round pick in 2018 and a second-round pick in 2019. (Why would the Magic forfeit a first-round pick? Because the new CBA prohibits teams from trading a first-round pick seven years out.)

 

One future first-round pick from the Lakers

This pick is tied to the Lakers’ sign-and-trade deal with the Phoenix Suns for Steve Nash, and the Magic cannot receive the Lakers’ first-round pick until the Lakers satisfy their obligation to the Suns.

 

That said, the only way the Magic don’t get a protected pick from the Lakers for the 2017 draft is if the Lakers are terrible in 2012-13 and fail to make the playoffs. That’s not going to happen.

 

But if the Lakers don’t make the playoffs until 2013-14, the Magic would get a Lakers’ protected first-round pick in 2018. If by some miracle the Lakers don’t make the playoffs in any of the next three seasons, the Magic would not get a first-round pick from the Lakers and instead would get the Lakers’ second-round pick in 2017 and the Lakers’ second-round pick in 2018 because of the CBA rule that prevents a team from trading a first-round pick seven years out.

 

Here are the protection terms:

• 2017 draft: The Magic will receive the pick if it falls from sixth overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to fifth overall, L.A. will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a protected first-round pick in 2018.

 

• 2018 draft: The Magic will receive the pick if it falls from sixth overall to 30th overall. If the pick falls from first overall to fifth overall, L.A. will keep the pick and Orlando instead will receive a first-round pick in 2019.

 

• 2019 draft: Unprotected. The Magic will receive the pick no matter what it falls.

 

2013 second-round pick from the Nuggets

This pick originally belonged to the Golden State Warriors, so the picks place in the second round will be determined by how the Warriors finish during the 2012-13 season.

 

2015 second-round pick from the Lakers

The Lakers will keep the pick if it falls from 31st overall to 40th overall. If that occurs, the pick disappears and the Magic won’t receive a second-round pick from the Lakers.

 

 

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2012/08/explanation-on-the-draft-picks-the-magic-will-receive-in-the-dwight-howard-deal.html

 

 

I always knew that conditional and protected picks were complicated, but WOW. I've never seen them layed out like that. Soooo much going into each pick. Makes my head spin.